Re: [ydn-delicious] AccessKey for earlier links screws up editing in Safari
On Jun 18, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Andrew Wooster wrote: Hi Toby, I'm afraid neither of your responses to this thread got through. Instead, there's just the text: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bizarre. I have no ideas what's up with trying to reply to this message. It does strange things in my mailer, too. Anyway, I'd love to be able to claim the accesskeys as a new feature, but they were added in June of 2005. Did you upgrade Safari recently? My version 2.0.4 does support the feature, but it's possible older versions did not. At this point, it's been around long enough that I don't think we can pull it out short of a site revamp, but we'll keep the apple keybindings in mind if we decide to make further use of it . Regards, Toby Elliott del.icio.us
Re: [ydn-delicious] AccessKey for earlier links screws up editing in Safari
On Jun 18, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Larson, Timothy E. wrote: Andrew Wooster wrote: Sadly, this means that when editing text with Safari in any text box on a page with an earlier link, ctrl+e will take you to the earlier page. Ctrl+e, in the Cocoa text system on OS X, is bound similar to emacs, in that it takes you to the end of the paragraph (or line). See: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html I just wanted to chip in my two cents that I'd really prefer not to have this behavior on del.icio.us. This is really a matter for Safari to work out. The accesskey modifier used by the browser should not be something that is used elsewhere in the system. The collision here is completely Safari's fault. If Cocoa uses Ctrl+letter already, then browsers should use Ctrl+Opt+letter, or Ctrl+Shift+letter, or whatever. The web page should be able to use any letter for an accesskey, trusting the browser not to cause confusion. Right. But the latest Camino and Firefox for OS X also set the accesskey modifier to Ctrl and therefore have the same conflict as Safari. At least for Camino and Firefox, one can modify this in user preferences -- in about:config, change the ui.key.contentAccess value from 2 to 6 to make Ctrl+Opt the accesskey modifier. The only solution for Safari that I've been able to find involves modifying the WebKit source and rebuilding Safari (see http:// www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=200703171853311). -John
RE: [ydn-delicious] AccessKey for earlier links screws up editing in Safari
Andrew Wooster wrote: I just noticed that del.icio.us now has accesskeys set for the earlier/later links. earlier is now bound to ctrl+e, and later is now bound to ctrl+l. I see it's using rel=prev/next links as well. Very nice. Sadly, this means that when editing text with Safari in any text box on a page with an earlier link, ctrl+e will take you to the earlier page. Ctrl+e, in the Cocoa text system on OS X, is bound similar to emacs, in that it takes you to the end of the paragraph (or line). See: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html I just wanted to chip in my two cents that I'd really prefer not to have this behavior on del.icio.us. This is really a matter for Safari to work out. The accesskey modifier used by the browser should not be something that is used elsewhere in the system. The collision here is completely Safari's fault. If Cocoa uses Ctrl+letter already, then browsers should use Ctrl+Opt+letter, or Ctrl+Shift+letter, or whatever. The web page should be able to use any letter for an accesskey, trusting the browser not to cause confusion. Tim -- Tim Larson InterCall, a subsidiary of West Corporation Eschew obfuscation!
Re: [ydn-delicious] AccessKey for earlier links screws up editing in Safari
On Jun 18, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Larson, Timothy E. wrote: Andrew Wooster wrote: I just noticed that del.icio.us now has accesskeys set for the earlier/later links. earlier is now bound to ctrl+e, and later is now bound to ctrl+l. I see it's using rel=prev/next links as well. Very nice. Sadly, this means that when editing text with Safari in any text box on a page with an earlier link, ctrl+e will take you to the earlier page. Ctrl+e, in the Cocoa text system on OS X, is bound similar to emacs, in that it takes you to the end of the paragraph (or line). See: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html I just wanted to chip in my two cents that I'd really prefer not to have this behavior on del.icio.us. This is really a matter for Safari to work out. The accesskey modifier used by the browser should not be something that is used elsewhere in the system. The collision here is completely Safari's fault. If Cocoa uses Ctrl+letter already, then browsers should use Ctrl+Opt+letter, or Ctrl+Shift+letter, or whatever. The web page should be able to use any letter for an accesskey, trusting the browser not to cause confusion. Tim -- Tim Larson InterCall, a subsidiary of West Corporation Eschew obfuscation! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[ydn-delicious] AccessKey for earlier links screws up editing in Safari
Hi all, I just noticed that del.icio.us now has accesskeys set for the earlier/later links. earlier is now bound to ctrl+e, and later is now bound to ctrl+l. Sadly, this means that when editing text with Safari in any text box on a page with an earlier link, ctrl+e will take you to the earlier page. Ctrl+e, in the Cocoa text system on OS X, is bound similar to emacs, in that it takes you to the end of the paragraph (or line). See: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/System%20Bindings.html I just wanted to chip in my two cents that I'd really prefer not to have this behavior on del.icio.us. -Andrew /wooster
