Re: RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill

2008-07-23 Thread chasgier
: RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill Chuck, Thanks as always for your post. You are not wrong in the history, genealogy and classification of zen you present in your post attached below. This is the generally accepted position - that zen is an outgrowth and sub-set of Buddhism. I disagree

RE: RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill

2008-07-23 Thread BillSmart
) your thoughts on a definition of zen, or anyone else's definition - even Al's. Thanks...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:22 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill Hi

RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill

2008-07-22 Thread Chuck Gierhart
Bill, You say: I also beleive, as you do, that zen and Buddhism are not the same. I beleive Buddhism is a religion and is a sub-set of zen, and so are most other religions - I thought Zen, including Soto, Rinzai and Obaku, are part of the Mahayana school of Buddhism and a direct

RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill

2008-07-22 Thread BillSmart
, 2008 10:05 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Dear Bill Bill,   You say:   “I also believe, as you do, that zen and Buddhism are not the same. I believe Buddhism is a religion and is a sub-set of zen, and so are most other religions –“   I  thought Zen, including Soto