Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Dippel
casper@sun.com wrote: I would suggest that you follow my recipe: not check the boot-archive during a reboot. And then report back. (I'm assuming that that will take several weeks) We are back at square one; or, at the subject line. I did a zpool status -v, everything was hunky

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Casper . Dik
We are back at square one; or, at the subject line. I did a zpool status -v, everything was hunky dory. Next, a power failure, 2 hours later, and this is what zpool status -v thinks: zpool status -v pool: rpool state: ONLINE status: One or more devices has experienced an error resulting in

Re: [zfs-discuss] What causes slow performance under load?

2009-04-19 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 09:41:39PM -0500, Tim wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Gary Mills [1]mi...@cc.umanitoba.ca wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 06:53:30PM -0400, Ellis, Mike wrote: In case the writes are a problem: When zfs sends a sync-command to

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Dippel
casper@sun.com wrote: We are back at square one; or, at the subject line. I did a zpool status -v, everything was hunky dory. Next, a power failure, 2 hours later, and this is what zpool status -v thinks: zpool status -v pool: rpool state: ONLINE status: One or more devices has

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:15:31 +0800 Uwe Dippel udip...@gmail.com wrote: Reliability at power failure? That was my question, and I had to learn that the answer is 'no'. Sorry Uwe, but the answer is yes. Assuming that your hardware is in order. I've read quite some msgs from you here recently and

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Toby Thain
On 19-Apr-09, at 10:38 AM, Uwe Dippel wrote: casper@sun.com wrote: We are back at square one; or, at the subject line. I did a zpool status -v, everything was hunky dory. Next, a power failure, 2 hours later, and this is what zpool status -v thinks: zpool status -v pool: rpool state:

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Dippel
dick hoogendijk wrote: Why don't you quit using it and focus a little more on installing SunStudio (which isn't that hard to do; at least not so hard as you want us to believe it is in another thread). All I ever had to do was start the installer (in a GUI) and -all- software was placed where it

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Dippel
Toby Thain wrote: Chances are. That Ubuntu as double boot here never finds anything wrong, crashes, etc. Why should it? It isn't designed to do so. I knew this would inevitably creep up. :) Why are you running a non-redundant pool? Because. 90+% of the normal desktop users will

Re: [zfs-discuss] What causes slow performance under load?

2009-04-19 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:45:54PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: [perf-discuss cc'd] On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary Mills mi...@cc.umanitoba.ca wrote: Many other layers are involved in this server.  We use scsi_vhci for redundant I/O paths and Sun's Iscsi initiator to connect to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Dennis Clarke
And after some 4 days without any CKSUM error, how can yanking the power cord mess boot-stuff? Maybe because on the fifth day some hardware failure occurred? ;-) ha ha ! sorry .. that was pretty funny. -- Dennis ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Uwe Dippel wrote: Why are you running a non-redundant pool? Because. 90+% of the normal desktop users will run a non-redundant pool, and expect their filesystems to not add operational failures, but come back after a yanked power cord without fail. OpenSolaris desktop

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: If you want to be included in the 0.5% of the desktop population who are smart enough to run OpenSolaris, maybe you should add a mirror drive. You took the words right out of my mouth. I often

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Dippel
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: OpenSolaris desktop users are surely less than 0.5% of the desktop population. Are the 90+% of the normal desktop users you are talking about the Microsoft Windows users, which is indeed something like 90%? If you really want to be part of the majority, perhaps you

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:41:49 +0800 Uwe Dippel udip...@gmail.com wrote: I'd still like to run OpenSolaris, and without mirror drive. Where does that put me? Somewhere I wouldn't want to be. NOT if I run production servers, that is. Systems to play with are OK of course. You need redundancy and

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sun, Apr 19 at 18:38, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: If you want to be included in the 0.5% of the desktop population who are smart enough to run OpenSolaris, maybe you should add a mirror drive. You took

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Eric D. Mudama wrote: Additionally, over the last few months I'm pretty sure I've seen this same discussion and report of corruption when the person *did* have mirrored boot and had an unsafe power fail. I'll have to dig to find it though. You are right that there have

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Oscar del Rio
Uwe Dippel wrote: Next, a power failure, 2 hours later, and this is what zpool status -v thinks: Reliability at power failure? That was my question, and I had to learn Your question should be about HARDWARE reliability after power failure. Some (cheap) hardware are very unreliable, either

[zfs-discuss] Sun's flash offering(s)

2009-04-19 Thread David Magda
Looking at the web site for Sun's SSD storage products, it looks like what's been offered is the so-called Logzilla: http://www.sun.com/storage/flash/specs.jsp This is the unit that is used with the zpool add log devX command. Are there any plans to add Readzilla offerings to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Mario Goebbels
Because. 90+% of the normal desktop users will run a non-redundant pool, and expect their filesystems to not add operational failures, but come back after a yanked power cord without fail. OpenSolaris desktop users are surely less than 0.5% of the desktop population. Are the 90+% of the normal

[zfs-discuss] swat java source?

2009-04-19 Thread Jens Elkner
Hi, does anybody know, whether it is possible to get the java source for swat (where/how)? Thanx, jel. -- Otto-von-Guericke University http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/ Department of Computer Science Geb. 29 R 027, Universitaetsplatz 2 39106 Magdeburg, Germany Tel: +49 391 67 12768

Re: [zfs-discuss] What causes slow performance under load?

2009-04-19 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Gary Mills mi...@cc.umanitoba.ca wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:45:54PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: Also, you may want to consider doing backups from the NetApp rather than from the Solaris box. I've certainly recommended finding a different way to perform

Re: [zfs-discuss] What causes slow performance under load?

2009-04-19 Thread Marion Hakanson
mi...@cc.umanitoba.ca said: What would I look for with mpstat? Look for a CPU (thread) that might be 100% utilized; Also look to see if that CPU (or CPU's) has a larger number in the ithr column than all other CPU's. The idea here is that you aren't getting much out of the T2000 if only one

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's flash offering(s)

2009-04-19 Thread Richard Elling
David Magda wrote: Looking at the web site for Sun's SSD storage products, it looks like what's been offered is the so-called Logzilla: http://www.sun.com/storage/flash/specs.jsp This is the unit that is used with the zpool add log devX command. Are there any plans to add Readzilla

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Richard Elling
Uwe Dippel wrote: casper@sun.com wrote: I would suggest that you follow my recipe: not check the boot-archive during a reboot. And then report back. (I'm assuming that that will take several weeks) We are back at square one; or, at the subject line. I did a zpool status -v,

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Marion Hakanson
udip...@gmail.com said: dick at nagual.nl wrote: Maybe because on the fifth day some hardware failure occurred? ;-) That would be which? The system works and is up and running beautifully. OpenSolaris, as of now. Running beautifully as long as the power stays on? Is it hard to believe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's flash offering(s)

2009-04-19 Thread David Magda
On Apr 19, 2009, at 16:48, Richard Elling wrote: David Magda wrote: Also, on the currently available SSD, there's a 'Try and Buy' logo: would it be possible to 'borrow' one of these SSDs for the sixty days and run benchmarks, and if it doesn't help, remove them from the ZFS pool where

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's flash offering(s)

2009-04-19 Thread Richard Elling
David Magda wrote: On Apr 19, 2009, at 16:48, Richard Elling wrote: David Magda wrote: Also, on the currently available SSD, there's a 'Try and Buy' logo: would it be possible to 'borrow' one of these SSDs for the sixty days and run benchmarks, and if it doesn't help, remove them from the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread David Magda
On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:52, dick hoogendijk wrote: You need redundancy and you don't get that on a single drive. A sound use of ZFS needs it. Not quite the same, but... zfs set copies=2 myzfsfs ? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:56:54 -0400 David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:52, dick hoogendijk wrote: You need redundancy and you don't get that on a single drive. A sound use of ZFS needs it. Not quite the same, but... zfs set copies=2 myzfsfs ? Like you say:

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Tutorial at USENIX Technical Conference (USENIX09)

2009-04-19 Thread Richard Elling
I will be conducting a tutorial on ZFS at the USENIX Technical Conference in San Diego on June 14, 2009. I hope you can attend! Here is the blurb in the conference agenda. There is still time for me to add content, so send me your wish list and I'll try to accommodate. Additional

Re: [zfs-discuss] What causes slow performance under load?

2009-04-19 Thread Richard Elling
iostat measurements comment below... Gary Mills wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:45:54PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: [perf-discuss cc'd] On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary Mills mi...@cc.umanitoba.ca wrote: Many other layers are involved in this server. We use scsi_vhci for

Re: [zfs-discuss] [on-discuss] Reliability at power failure?

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Dippel
Richard Elling wrote: //etc/svc/repository-boot-20090419_174236 This file is created at boot time, not when power has failed. So the fault likely occurred during the boot. With this knowledge, the rest of your argument makes no sense. rebootsystem boot Sun Apr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun's flash offering(s)

2009-04-19 Thread Scott Laird
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: Looking at the web site for Sun's SSD storage products, it looks like what's been offered is the so-called Logzilla:        http://www.sun.com/storage/flash/specs.jsp You know, those specs look almost *identical* to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] What causes slow performance under load?

2009-04-19 Thread Tim
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: I see no evidence of an I/O or file system bottleneck here. While the service times are a little higher than I expect, I don't get worried until the %busy is high and actv is high and asvc_t is high(er). I think