[zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
Oracle's silence is starting to become a bit ominous. What are the future options for zfs, should OpenSolaris be left dead in the water by Suracle? I have no insight into who core zfs developers are (have any been fired by Sun even prior to the merger?), and who's paying them. Assuming a worst

Re: [zfs-discuss] Listing snapshots in a pool

2010-02-22 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 22/02/2010 00:23, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: I thought this was simple. Turns out not to be. bash-3.2$ zfs list -t snapshot zp1 cannot open 'zp1': operation not applicable to datasets of this type Fails equally on all the variants of pool name that I've tried, including zp1/ and zp1/@ and

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread C. Bergström
Eugen Leitl wrote: Oracle's silence is starting to become a bit ominous. What are the future options for zfs, should OpenSolaris be left dead in the water by Suracle? I have no insight into who core zfs developers are (have any been fired by Sun even prior to the merger?), and who's paying them.

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Michael Ramchand
I think Oracle have been quite clear about their plans for OpenSolaris. They have publicly said they plan to continue to support it and the community. They're just a little distracted right now because they are in the process of on-boarding many thousand Sun employees, and trying to get them

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 02/22/10 12:00 PM, Michael Ramchand wrote: I think Oracle have been quite clear about their plans for OpenSolaris. They have publicly said they plan to continue to support it and the community. They're just a little distracted right now because they are in the process of on-boarding many

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Oracle's silence is starting to become a bit ominous. What are the future options for zfs, should OpenSolaris be left dead in the water by Suracle? I have no insight into who core zfs developers are (have any been fired by

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread James C. McPherson
On 22/02/10 09:40 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Eugen Leitleu...@leitl.org wrote: Oracle's silence is starting to become a bit ominous. What are the future options for zfs, should OpenSolaris be left dead in the water by Suracle? I have no insight into who core zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Mertol Özyöney
Hi Peter; ZFS is a strategic software piece for many of Sun's offerings. Sun is constantly offering several new Technologies on ZFS (without further development ZFS is laready 5 years ahead of any other filesystem) just like Dedup. Do not forget that ZFS is also part of the 7000 series. I will

Re: [zfs-discuss] Listing snapshots in a pool

2010-02-22 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 2/22/2010 3:31 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 22/02/2010 00:23, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: I thought this was simple. Turns out not to be. bash-3.2$ zfs list -t snapshot zp1 cannot open 'zp1': operation not applicable to datasets of this type Fails equally on all the variants of pool name

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Jacob Ritorto
On 02/22/10 09:19, Henrik Johansen wrote: On 02/22/10 02:33 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 06:12, Henrik Johansen wrote: Well - once thing that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable is the fact that you no longer can buy OpenSolaris Support subscriptions. Almost every trace of it has

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Al Slater
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/02/2010 14:35, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 09:19, Henrik Johansen wrote: On 02/22/10 02:33 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 06:12, Henrik Johansen wrote: Well - once thing that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable is the fact that you

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 02/22/10 03:35 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 09:19, Henrik Johansen wrote: On 02/22/10 02:33 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 06:12, Henrik Johansen wrote: Well - once thing that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable is the fact that you no longer can buy OpenSolaris Support

[zfs-discuss] chmod behavior with symbolic links

2010-02-22 Thread Ryan John
Hi, I know it's documented in the manual, but I find it a bit strange behaviour that chmod -R changes the permissions of the target of a symbolic link. This just really messed up my system, where I have a data directory, with a backup of some Linux systems. Within these Linux systems,

Re: [zfs-discuss] chmod behavior with symbolic links

2010-02-22 Thread Casper . Dik
I know it's documented in the manual, but I find it a bit strange behaviour that chmod -R changes the permissions of the target of a symbolic link. Is there any reason for this behaviour? Symbolic links do not have a mode; so you can't chmod them; chmod(2) follows symbolic links (it was

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Jacob Ritorto
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Henrik Johansen hen...@scannet.dk wrote: On 02/22/10 03:35 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 09:19, Henrik Johansen wrote: On 02/22/10 02:33 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: On 02/22/10 06:12, Henrik Johansen wrote: Well - once thing that makes me feel a bit

Re: [zfs-discuss] chmod behavior with symbolic links

2010-02-22 Thread Jason King
If you're doing anything with ACLs, the GNU utilities have no knowledge of ACLs, so GNU chmod will not modify them (nor will GNU ls show ACLs), you need to use /bin/chmod and /bin/ls to manipulate them. It does sound though that GNU chmod is explicitly testing and skipping any entry that's a link

[zfs-discuss] mountpoint or dataset is busy

2010-02-22 Thread Nik Masloff
Hi, I have root HOMEDIR pointing to [b]/root[/b] , and zfs filesystem created - [b]rpool/roothome - /root[/b]; but while loading the system, I`m seeing that [b]cannot mount `rpool/roothome`: mountpoint or dataset is busy[/b]. I`f i`ll set the mountpoint to something else, like

Re: [zfs-discuss] scrub in 132

2010-02-22 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Dirk, I'm not seeing anything specific to hanging scrubs on b 132 and I can't reproduce it. Any hardware changes or failures directly before the scrub? You can rule out any hardware issues by checking fmdump -eV, iostat -En, or /var/adm/messages output. Thanks, Cindy On 02/20/10 12:56,

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Jacob Ritorto
2010/2/22 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de: You (Jacob Ritorto) wrote: FWIW, I suspect that this situation does not warrant a Wait and See response.  We're being badly mistreated here and it's probably too late to do anything about it.  Probably the only chance to quell this poor

Re: [zfs-discuss] Listing snapshots in a pool

2010-02-22 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Mon, February 22, 2010 11:06, Cindy Swearingen wrote: I can't find any other solution than what you have already determined, which is this one: # zfs list -r -t snapshot tank The -d option integrated into b114. I'm running b132 and I still can't get any combination of zfs list -d to

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread John Raugust
Oracle is reviewing the Sun product roadmap and will provide guidance to customers in accordance with Oracle's standard product communication policies. Any resulting features and timing of release of such features as determined by Oracle's review of roadmaps, are at the sole discretion of

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Jacob Ritorto jacob.rito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/2/22 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de: You (Jacob Ritorto) wrote: FWIW, I suspect that this situation does not warrant a Wait and See response. We're being badly mistreated here and it's probably too

[zfs-discuss] USB 3.0 possibilities

2010-02-22 Thread A. Krijgsman
Today I received a commecial offer on some external USB 3.0 disk enclosure. Since it was new to me I googled my way to wikipedia and found that the specs say USB 3.0 should have a 5 Gbit speeds capability. I visited newegg and found out that a 2-port USB3.0 HBA is sold for 40$ and I also tried

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Justin Lee Ewing
I'm not sure how there is mistreatment when known that Solaris 10 is the current production-grade product and OpenSolaris, for all intents and purposes, a beta product that is currently under active development. I was actually surprised when SUN provided a level of support for OpenSolaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Erik Trimble
James C. McPherson wrote: On 22/02/10 09:40 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Eugen Leitleu...@leitl.org wrote: Oracle's silence is starting to become a bit ominous. What are the future options for zfs, should OpenSolaris be left dead in the water by Suracle? I have

Re: [zfs-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread John Raugust
http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html link to Oracle Plans statement Personally I am not freaking I think the product is too good for Oracle to Flush the technology, who knows what the future holds. I do have the wait and see approach but until I see some drastic departure from

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB 3.0 possibilities

2010-02-22 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:46 AM, A. Krijgsman wrote: Today I received a commecial offer on some external USB 3.0 disk enclosure. Since it was new to me I googled my way to wikipedia and found that the specs say USB 3.0 should have a 5 Gbit speeds capability. I visited newegg and found out

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB 3.0 possibilities

2010-02-22 Thread Alex Blewitt
On Feb 22, 2010, at 18:02, Richard Elling wrote: On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:46 AM, A. Krijgsman wrote: Today I received a commecial offer on some external USB 3.0 disk enclosure. Since it was new to me I googled my way to wikipedia and found that the specs say USB 3.0 should have a 5 Gbit

Re: [zfs-discuss] Poor ZIL SLC SSD performance

2010-02-22 Thread Miles Nordin
el == Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org writes: el Wouldn't it be better investing these 300-350 EUR into 16 el GByte or more of system memory, and a cheap UPS? If you think the UPS is good enough that you never have to worry about your machine rebooting then the extra memory isn't needed to

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Jacob Ritorto jacob.rito...@gmail.comwrote: Since it seems you have absolutely no grasp of what's happening here, Coming from the guy proclaiming the sky is falling without actually having ANY official statement whatsoever to back up that train of thought.

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool problems

2010-02-22 Thread Jeff Freeman
Can anyone help wih this - somewhat of a novice here with OpenSolaris and just found these erros. NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM vmwarepool UNAVAIL 0 0 0 insufficient replicas c7t0d0UNAVAIL 0 0 0 cannot open -- This message posted from

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool problems

2010-02-22 Thread Will Murnane
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 15:53, Jeff Freeman freeman.jeff...@verizon.net wrote: Can anyone help wih this - somewhat of a novice here with OpenSolaris and just found these erros.     NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM vmwarepool  UNAVAIL      0     0     0  insufficient replicas      

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool problems

2010-02-22 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Jeff, The vmware pool is unavailable because the only device in the pool, c7t0d0, is unavailable. This problem is probably due to the device failing or being removed accidentally. You can follow the steps at the top of this section to help you diagnose the c7t0d0 problems:

[zfs-discuss] Another Problem

2010-02-22 Thread Jeff Freeman
Has anyone had this problem before? In my vmwarepool directory I have vol1-9 I was however able to create vol0 - which is weird. /dev/zvol/rdsk/vmwarepool# sbdadm create-lu /dev/zvol/rdsk/vmwarepool/vol1 LU Create failed : Unable to lookup file. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 02/22/10 09:52 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Jacob Ritorto jacob.rito...@gmail.com mailto:jacob.rito...@gmail.com wrote: Since it seems you have absolutely no grasp of what's happening here, Coming from the guy proclaiming the sky is falling without actually

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sharing Issues

2010-02-22 Thread Tau
It will not let me set sharesmb=none. Also I dont see how ACL's would do what im after here... I want to create a nested dataset inside another one so that I can create snapshots, and export that dataset when needed. Though I do not want the nested dataset to have its own share... (if that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sharing Issues

2010-02-22 Thread Peter Radig
As I explained earlier, this is not possible with CIFS. This is the RFE entry: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6582165 And the explanation is here: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cifs-discuss/2009-March/001397.html Peter -Original Message- From:

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris (Please end this now)

2010-02-22 Thread Erik Trimble
From what I can gleen from the new sections of the relevant website, it appears that you /can/ get OpenSolaris support, provided you have SUN hardware and a System Service plan. The traditional I want OS Support for running Solaris on my non-Sun hardware plan doesn't include OpenSolaris.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Abysmal ISCSI / ZFS Performance

2010-02-22 Thread Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net writes: There will probably be clients that might seem to implicitly make this assuption by mishandling the case where an iSCSI target goes away and then comes back (but comes back less whatever writes were in its write cache). Handling that case for NFS was

[zfs-discuss] More performance questions [on zfs over nfs]

2010-02-22 Thread Harry Putnam
[Note: This is a repost of question posted about 1.5 days ago that has never appeared on the group.. at least not on my server (gmane). Sorry if it ends up being a double whammy] Working from a remote linux machine on a zfs fs that is an nfs mounted share (set for nfs availability on zfs server,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Listing snapshots in a pool

2010-02-22 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Cindy Swearingen cindy.swearin...@sun.com wrote: The -d option integrated into b114. I'm running b132 and I still can't get any combination of zfs list -d to work. Its Monday and my brain is slow to warm up. See below. You probably don't have any snapshots for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sharing Issues

2010-02-22 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Peter Radig pe...@radig.de wrote: As I explained earlier, this is not possible with CIFS. This is the RFE entry: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6582165 It's worth noting that you CAN do it with samba, but you lose the cool features

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Matthias Pfützner
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jacob Ritorto jacob.rito...@gmail.com Cc: matth...@pfuetzner.de, zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, indiana-disc...@opensolaris.org Gesendet: 22.2.'10, 21:21 On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:12 AM,

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Matthias Pfützner
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jacob Ritorto jacob.rito...@gmail.com Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, indiana-disc...@opensolaris.org Gesendet: 22.2.'10, 21:46 On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Justin Lee Ewing jlew...@jrleindustries.com wrote: I'm not sure how there is mistreatment

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Matthias Pfützner wrote: (change in control) and the cycle of the next version of OSOL (did you notice, that it might be 2010.03, and not 2010.02, aka 7 months?) 9 months actually since 2009.06, and that change was mostly due to aligning with the Solaris 10 update release schedules so that the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] future of OpenSolaris

2010-02-22 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Oops, sorry, right, 9 months... ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@sun.com Cc: jacob.rito...@gmail.com, zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, indiana-disc...@opensolaris.org, t...@cook.ms Gesendet: 22.2.'10, 22:03 Matthias Pfützner wrote: (change in control)

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB 3.0 possibilities

2010-02-22 Thread David Magda
On Feb 22, 2010, at 13:20, Alex Blewitt wrote: It's worth noting that USB leeches control from the host computer, so even if the bandwidth is there, the performance might not be for several competing drives on the same bus, regardless of how big the number is printed. The other thing to

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs with a SCSI SCA interface?

2010-02-22 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@sun.com wrote: Hey folks. I've looked around quite a bit, and I can't find something like this: I have a bunch of older systems which use Ultra320 SCA hot-swap connectors for their internal drives. (e.g. v20z and similar) I'd love

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2010-02-22 Thread Charles Hedrick
I talked with our enterprise systems people recently. I don't believe they'd consider ZFS until it's more flexible. Shrink is a big one, as is removing an slog. We also need to be able to expand a raidz, possibly by striping it with a second one and then rebalancing the sizes. -- This message

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2010-02-22 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 22, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Charles Hedrick wrote: I talked with our enterprise systems people recently. I don't believe they'd consider ZFS until it's more flexible. Shrink is a big one, as is removing an slog. We also need to be able to expand a raidz, possibly by striping it with a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Abysmal ISCSI / ZFS Performance

2010-02-22 Thread Miles Nordin
kth == Kjetil Torgrim Homme kjeti...@linpro.no writes: kth basically iSCSI just defines a reliable channel for SCSI. pft. AIUI a lot of the complexity in real stacks is ancient protocol arcania for supporting multiple initiators and TCQ regardless of whther the physical target supports