Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Lanky Doodle
1 - are the 2 vdevs in the same pool, or two separate pools? I was planning on having the 2 z2 vdevs in one pool. Although having 2 pools and having them sync'd sounds really good, I fear it may be overkill for the intended purpose. 3 - spare temperature for levels raidz2 and

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Lanky Doodle
Thanks Richard. How does ZFS enumerate the disks? In terms of listing them does it do them logically, i.e; controller #1 (motherboard) | |--- disk1 |--- disk2 controller #3 |--- disk3 |--- disk4 |--- disk5 |--- disk6 |--- disk7 |--- disk8 |--- disk9

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Lanky Doodle
I was planning on using one of these http://www.scan.co.uk/products/icy-dock-mb994sp-4s-4in 1-sas-sata-hot-swap-backplane-525-raid-cage Imagine if 2.5 2TB disks were price neutral compared to 3.5 equivalents. I could have 40 of the buggers in my system giving 80TB raw storage! I'd

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Lanky Doodle
4 - the 16th port Can you find somewhere inside the case for an SSD as L2ARC on your last port? Although saying that, if we are saying hot spares may be bad in my scenario, I could ditch it and use an 3.5 SSD in the 15th drive's place? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-17 Thread Fred Liu
-Original Message- From: Fred Liu Sent: 星期四, 六月 16, 2011 17:28 To: Fred Liu; 'Richard Elling' Cc: 'Jim Klimov'; 'zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org' Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares? Fixing a typo in my last thread... -Original Message- From: Fred Liu

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/17/2011 12:55 AM, Lanky Doodle wrote: Thanks Richard. How does ZFS enumerate the disks? In terms of listing them does it do them logically, i.e; controller #1 (motherboard) | |--- disk1 |--- disk2 controller #3 |--- disk3 |--- disk4 |--- disk5 |---

Re: [zfs-discuss] write cache partial-disk pools (was Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?)

2011-06-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Daniel Carosone [mailto:d...@geek.com.au] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:27 PM Is it still the case, as it once was, that allocating anything other than whole disks as vdevs forces NCQ / write cache off on the drive (either or both, forget which, guess write cache)? I will only

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Lanky Doodle or is it completely random leaving me with some trial and error to work out what disk is on what port? It's highly desirable to have drives with lights on them. So you can

Re: [zfs-discuss] write cache partial-disk pools (was Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?)

2011-06-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Daniel Carosone [mailto:d...@geek.com.au] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:05 PM the [sata] channel is idle, blocked on command completion, while the heads seek. I'm interested in proving this point. Because I believe it's false. Just hand waving for the moment ... Presenting the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Resizing ZFS partition, shrinking NTFS?

2011-06-17 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-17 9:37, Michael Schuster пишет: I'd suggest a somewhat different approach: 1) boot a live cd and use something like parted to shrink the NTFS partition 2) create a new partition without FS in the space now freed from NTFS 3) boot OpenSolaris, add the partition from 2) as vdev to your

Re: [zfs-discuss] write cache partial-disk pools (was Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?)

2011-06-17 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-17 15:41, Edward Ned Harvey пишет: From: Daniel Carosone [mailto:d...@geek.com.au] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:05 PM the [sata] channel is idle, blocked on command completion, while the heads seek. I'm interested in proving this point. Because I believe it's false. Just hand

Re: [zfs-discuss] write cache partial-disk pools (was Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?)

2011-06-17 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-17 15:06, Edward Ned Harvey пишет: When it comes to reads: The OS does readahead more intelligently than the disk could ever hope. Hardware readahead is useless. Here's another (lame?) question to the experts, partly as a followup to my last post about large arrays and essentially a

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Marty Scholes
Lights. Good. Agreed. In a fit of desperation and stupidity I once enumerated disks by pulling them one by one from the array to see which zfs device faulted. On a busy array it is hard even to use the leds as indicators. It makes me wonder how large shops with thousands of spindles handle

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Marty Scholes
Lights. Good. Agreed. In a fit of desperation and stupidity I once enumerated disks by pulling them one by one from the array to see which zfs device faulted. On a busy array it is hard even to use the leds as indicators. It makes me wonder how large shops with thousands of spindles handle

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/17/2011 6:52 AM, Marty Scholes wrote: Lights. Good. Agreed. In a fit of desperation and stupidity I once enumerated disks by pulling them one by one from the array to see which zfs device faulted. On a busy array it is hard even to use the leds as indicators. It makes me wonder how

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread marty scholes
Funny you say that. My Sun v40z connected a pair of Sun A5200 arrays running OSol 128a can't see the enclosures. The luxadm command comes up blank. Except for that annoyance (and similar other issues) the Sun gear works well with a Sun operating system. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-17 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-18 0:24, marty scholes wrote: It makes me wonder how large shops with thousands of spindles handle this. We pay for the brand-name disk enclosures or servers where the fault-management stuff is supported by Solaris. Including the blinky lights. grin Funny you say that. My Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is ZFS internal reservation excessive?

2011-06-17 Thread MasterCATZ
ok what is the Point of the RESERVE When we can not even delete a file when their is no space left !!! if they are going to have a RESERVE they should make it a little smarter and maybe have the FS use some of that free space so when we do hit 0 bytes data can still be deleted because their

Re: [zfs-discuss] write cache partial-disk pools (was Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?)

2011-06-17 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: I will only say, that regardless of whether or not that is or ever was true, I believe it's entirely irrelevant. Because your system performs read and write caching and buffering in ram,

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-17 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: On 6/16/2011 1:32 PM, Paul Kraus wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: You can run OpenVMS :-) Since *you* brought it up (I was not going to :-), how does VMS'

Re: [zfs-discuss] Resizing ZFS partition, shrinking NTFS?

2011-06-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Jim Klimov wrote: I gather that he is trying to expand his root pool, and you can not add a vdev to one. Though, true, it might be possible to create a second, data pool, in the partition. I am not sure if zfs can make two pools in different partitions of the same device

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-17 Thread Michael Sullivan
On 17 Jun 11, at 21:02 , Ross Walker wrote: On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: On 6/16/2011 1:32 PM, Paul Kraus wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: You can run OpenVMS :-) Since *you* brought it up

Re: [zfs-discuss] Resizing ZFS partition, shrinking NTFS?

2011-06-17 Thread Michael Sullivan
On 17 Jun 11, at 21:14 , Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Jim Klimov wrote: I gather that he is trying to expand his root pool, and you can not add a vdev to one. Though, true, it might be possible to create a second, data pool, in the partition. I am not sure if zfs can make two