Re: [zfs-discuss] *SPAM* Re: zfs send/receive - actual performance

2010-03-27 Thread Svein Skogen
stream will only use one path in a LAG. Doesn't (Open)Solaris have the option of setting the aggregate up as a FEC or in roundrobin mode? //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and 4kb sector Drives (All new western digital GREEN Drives?)

2010-03-27 Thread Svein Skogen
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Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
license. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and 4kb sector Drives (All new western digital GREEN Drives?)

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
as well) //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
-stardard raid setups, they seem tricky. raidz eats one disk. Like RAID5 raidz2 digests another one. Like RAID6 raidz3 yet another one. Like ... h... //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS where to go!

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
seems silly. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-25 Thread Svein Skogen
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[zfs-discuss] Fwd: Re: ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Forgot to cc the list, well here goes... - Original Message Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:10:58 +0100 From: Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net To: Dusan Radovanovic dusa

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
On 24.03.2010 17:42, Richard Elling wrote: Nonvolatile write caches are not a problem. Which is why ZFS isn't a replacement for proper array controllers (defining proper as those with sufficient battery to leave you with a seemingly intact filesystem), but a very nice augmentation for them.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
and small (4GB?) and works in a PCI express slot. Maybe someone should look at implementing the zfs code for the XScale range of io-processors (such as the IOP333)? //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 02:13, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Actually ... Why should there be a ZFS property to share NFS, when you can already do that with share and dfstab? And still the zfs property exists. Probably because it is easy to create new filesystems and clone them; as NFS only works per

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 21.03.2010 01:25, Robert Milkowski wrote: To add my 0.2 cents... I think starting/stopping scrub belongs to cron, smf, etc. and not to zfs itself. However what would be nice to have is an ability to freeze/resume a scrub and also limit its rate of scrubbing. One of the reason is that when

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 13:35, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Does cron happen to know how many other scrubs are running, bogging down your IO system? If the scrub scheduling was integrated into zfs itself, It doesn't need to. Crontab entry: /root/bin/scruball.sh /root/bin/scruball.sh: #!/usr/bin/bash for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 13:54, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: IIRC it's zpool scrub, and last time I checked, the zpool command exited (with status 0) as soon as it had started the scrub. Your command would start _ALL_ scrubs in paralell as a result. You're right. I did that wrong. Sorry 'bout that. So

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intel SASUC8I - worth every penny

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 16:24, Cooper Hubbell wrote: I've moved to 7200RPM 2.5 laptop drives over 3.5 drives, for a combination of reasons: lower-power, better performance than a comparable sized 3.5 drives, and generally lower-capacities meaning resilver times are smaller. They're a bit more $/GB, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 18:10, Richard Elling wrote: On Mar 22, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Svein Skogen wrote: On 22.03.2010 13:54, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: IIRC it's zpool scrub, and last time I checked, the zpool command exited (with status 0) as soon as it had started the scrub. Your command would start

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-21 Thread Svein Skogen
On 21.03.2010 14:26, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Most software introduced in Linux clearly violates the UNIX philosophy. Hehehe, don't get me started on OSX. ;-) And for the love of all things sacred, never say OSX is not UNIX. I made that mistake once. Which is not to say I was proven wrong

Re: [zfs-discuss] 3 disk RAID-Z2 pool

2010-03-20 Thread Svein Skogen
On 20.03.2010 17:39, Henk Langeveld wrote: On 2010-03-15 16:50, Khyron: Yeah, this threw me. A 3 disk RAID-Z2 doesn't make sense, because at a redundancy level, RAID-Z2 looks like RAID 6. That is, there are 2 levels of parity for the data. Out of 3 disks, the equivalent of 2 disks will be used

[zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-20 Thread Svein Skogen
We all know that data corruption may happen, even on the most reliable of hardware. That's why zfs har pool scrubbing. Could we introduce a zpool option (as in zpool set optionname pool) for scrub period, in number of hours (with 0 being no automatic scrubbing). I see several modern

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposition of a new zpool property.

2010-03-20 Thread Svein Skogen
On 20.03.2010 23:00, Gary Gendel wrote: I'm not sure I like this at all. Some of my pools take hours to scrub. I have a cron job run scrubs in sequence... Start one pool's scrub and then poll until it's finished, start the next and wait, and so on so I don't create too much load and bring

Re: [zfs-discuss] sympathetic (or just multiple) drive failures

2010-03-20 Thread Svein Skogen
On 21.03.2010 00:14, Erik Trimble wrote: Richard Elling wrote: I see this on occasion. However, the cause is rarely attributed to a bad batch of drives. More common is power supplies, HBA firmware, cables, Pepsi syndrome, or similar. -- richard Mmmm. Pepsi Syndrome. I take it this is similar

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18.03.2010 10:31, Joerg Schilling wrote: Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: Please, don't compare proper backup drives to that rotating head non-standard catastrophy... DDS was (in)famous for being a delayed-fuse tape-shredder. DDS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
. Star implements incremental backups and restores based on POSIX compliant archives. And how does your favourite tool handle zvols? //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
that the NDMP stack basically was tapedev and/or autoloader device via network? (i.e. not a backup utility at all but a method for the software managing the backup to attach the devices) //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18.03.2010 18:28, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 18/03/2010 17:26, Svein Skogen wrote: The utility: Can't handle streams being split (in case of streams being larger that a single backup media). I think it should be possible to store the 'zfs send

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18.03.2010 18:37, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 18/03/2010 17:34, Svein Skogen wrote: How would NDMP help with this any more than running a local pipe splitting the stream (and handling the robotics for feeding in the next tape)? Probably

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
recommending (Open)Solaris and those speaking about other things gets tweaked in (Open)Solaris'es favor. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Performance on SATA Deive

2010-03-18 Thread Svein Skogen
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-17 Thread Svein Skogen
several previous discussions on the topic of ZFS pool backups to tape. Oh well. How does backing up the NFSv4 acls help you backup up a zvol (shared for iSCSI)? Please enlighten me. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-17 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17.03.2010 13:31, Svein Skogen wrote: On 17.03.2010 12:28, Khyron wrote: Note to readers: There are multiple topics discussed herein. Please identify which *SNIP* How does backing up the NFSv4 acls help you backup up a zvol (shared

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-17 Thread Svein Skogen
some sort of FEC to the stream. It _REALLY_ would solve the store problem. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-17 Thread Svein Skogen
to the best current practices zfs-page? ;) //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Pool Backup Strategies

2010-03-17 Thread Svein Skogen
drives to that rotating head non-standard catastrophy... DDS was (in)famous for being a delayed-fuse tape-shredder. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X

[zfs-discuss] Can we get some documentation on iSCSI sharing after comstar took over?

2010-03-16 Thread Svein Skogen
Things used to be simple. zfs create -V xxg -o shareiscsi=on pool/iSCSI/mynewvolume It worked. Now we've got a new, feature-rich baby in town, called comstar, and so far all attempts at groking the excuse of a manpage has simply left me with a nasty headache. _WHERE_ is the replacement

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can we get some documentation on iSCSI sharing after comstar took over?

2010-03-16 Thread Svein Skogen
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Can we get some documentation on iSCSI sharing after comstar took over?

2010-03-16 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16.03.2010 19:57, Marc Nicholas wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net mailto:sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: Not quite a one liner. After you create the target once (step 3), you do not have

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can we get some documentation on iSCSI sharing after comstar took over?

2010-03-16 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16.03.2010 22:31, erik.ableson wrote: On 16 mars 2010, at 21:00, Marc Nicholas wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net mailto:sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: I'll write you a Perl script :) I think

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool reporting consistent read errors

2010-03-15 Thread Svein Skogen
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Intel SASUC8I - worth every penny

2010-03-14 Thread Svein Skogen
How does it fare, with regards to BUG ID 689477? http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6894775 //Svein -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] backup zpool to tape

2010-03-12 Thread Svein Skogen
Wouldn't his scripts in the other thread (zfs send plugin for Bacula) work with zvol as well? //Svein -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] backup zpool to tape

2010-03-12 Thread Svein Skogen
know, maybe I should have RTFMmed more). I'll look into it, as soon as I figure WTF?!? this tapeloader is up to. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send and receive ... any ideas for FEC?

2010-03-11 Thread Svein Skogen
I can't help but keep wondering if not some sort of FEC wrapper (optional of course) might solve both the backup and some of the long-distance-transfer (where retransmissions really isn't wanted) issues. Reason I'm saying long-distance, is this is where latency-on-the-link starts rearing its

[zfs-discuss] zfs send and receive ... any ideas for FEC?

2010-03-10 Thread Svein Skogen
piping the data trough, feel free to point me in the right direction, because my google-searches didn't give me any real clues. Maybe my google-fu isn't up to scratch. //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100

Re: [zfs-discuss] backup zpool to tape

2010-03-10 Thread Svein Skogen
the ground. - -Try to restore both backups... See any differences in reliability for disasters here? ;) //Svein - -- - +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] Moving Storage to opensolaris+zfs. What about backup?

2010-03-08 Thread Svein Skogen
Let's say for a moment I should go for this solution, with the rpool tucked away on an usb-stick in the same case as the LTO-3 tapes it matches timelinewise (I'm using HP C8017A kits) as a zfs send -R to a file on the USB stick. (If, and that's a big if, I get amanda or bacula to do a job I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] Moving Storage to opensolaris+zfs. What about backup?

2010-03-08 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08.03.2010 13:55, Erik Trimble wrote: Svein Skogen wrote: Let's say for a moment I should go for this solution, with the rpool tucked away on an usb-stick in the same case as the LTO-3 tapes it matches timelinewise (I'm using HP C8017A kits

Re: [zfs-discuss] full backup == scrub?

2010-03-08 Thread Svein Skogen
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Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] Moving Storage to opensolaris+zfs. What about backup?

2010-03-04 Thread Svein Skogen
And again ... Is there any work on an upgrade of zfs send/receive to handle resuming on next media? I was thinking something along the lines of zfs send (when device goes full) returning send suspended. To resume insert new media and issue zfs resume IDNUMBER and receive handling: zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] Moving Storage to opensolaris+zfs. What about backup?

2010-03-04 Thread Svein Skogen
Just disregard this thread. I'm resolving the issue using other methods (not including Solaris). //Svein -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] Moving Storage to opensolaris+zfs. What about backup?

2010-03-04 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04.03.2010 13:18, Erik Trimble wrote: Svein Skogen wrote: And again ... Is there any work on an upgrade of zfs send/receive to handle resuming on next media? I was thinking something along the lines of zfs send (when device goes full

Re: [zfs-discuss] Moving Storage to opensolaris+zfs. What about backup?

2010-03-03 Thread Svein Skogen
The problem is that all disks I've seen so far, has been more fragile than tapes (given a real disaster, such as a clumsy sysadmin, or a burning home falling on top of them)... Trust me to knock over a disk. //Svein -- This message posted from opensolaris.org