Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-04-03 Thread Orvar Korvar
Have not the ZFS data corruption researchers been in touch with Jeff Bonwick and the ZFS team? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Erik Trimble
Orvar's post over in opensol-discuss has me thinking: After reading the paper and looking at design docs, I'm wondering if there is some facility to allow for comparing data in the ARC to it's corresponding checksum. That is, if I've got the data I want in the ARC, how can I be sure it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Casper . Dik
I'm not saying that ZFS should consider doing this - doing a validation for in-memory data is non-trivially expensive in performance terms, and there's only so much you can do and still expect your machine to survive. I mean, I've used the old NonStop stuff, and yes, you can shoot them with

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Erik Trimble
casper@sun.com wrote: I'm not saying that ZFS should consider doing this - doing a validation for in-memory data is non-trivially expensive in performance terms, and there's only so much you can do and still expect your machine to survive. I mean, I've used the old NonStop stuff, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Zhu Han
The ECC enabled RAM should be very cheap quickly if the industry embraces it in every computer. :-) best regards, hanzhu On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.comwrote: casper@sun.com wrote: I'm not saying that ZFS should consider doing this - doing a

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 31/03/2010 10:27, Erik Trimble wrote: Orvar's post over in opensol-discuss has me thinking: After reading the paper and looking at design docs, I'm wondering if there is some facility to allow for comparing data in the ARC to it's corresponding checksum. That is, if I've got the data I

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 31/03/2010 10:27, Erik Trimble wrote: Orvar's post over in opensol-discuss has me thinking: After reading the paper and looking at design docs, I'm wondering if there is some facility to allow for comparing data in the ARC to it's corresponding checksum. That is, if I've got the data I

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Robert Milkowski wrote: or there might be an extra zpool level (or system wide) property to enable checking checksums onevery access from ARC - there will be a siginificatn performance impact but then it might be acceptable for really paranoid folks especially with

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 31/03/2010 16:44, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Robert Milkowski wrote: or there might be an extra zpool level (or system wide) property to enable checking checksums onevery access from ARC - there will be a siginificatn performance impact but then it might be acceptable for

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Xin LI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2010/03/31 05:13, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 31/03/2010 10:27, Erik Trimble wrote: Orvar's post over in opensol-discuss has me thinking: After reading the paper and looking at design docs, I'm wondering if there is some facility to allow for

Re: [zfs-discuss] bit-flipping in RAM...

2010-03-31 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:38:29AM +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: So I wasn't saying that it can work or that it can work in all circumstances but rather I was trying to say that it probably shouldn't be dismissed on a performance argument alone as for some use cases It would be of great