Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-21 Thread Linder, Doug
Andrej Podzimek wrote: 1) Btrfs does not have mature and user-friendly command-line tools. AFAIK, you can only list your snapshots and subvolumes by grep'ing the tree dump. ;-) I haven't looked closely at the btrfs commands recently, but from what I've seen, they're really amazingly

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:57:40AM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: Because of BTRFS for Linux, Linux's popularity itself and also thanks to the Oracle's help. BTRFS does not matter until it is a primary file system for a dominant distribution. From what I can tell, the dominant Linux

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Anil Gulecha
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen pa...@iki.fi wrote: Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will use BTRFS as a default. Though there was some discussion around this, I don't think the above is a given. The ubuntu devs would look at the status of the project, and decide closer to the release.

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Andrej Podzimek
Ubuntu always likes to be on the edge even if btrfs is far from being 'stable' I would not want to run a release that does this. Servers need stability and reliability. Btrfs is far from this. Well, it seems to me that this is a well-known and very popular „circle in proving“: A: XYZ is far

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Frank Middleton
On 07/19/10 07:26, Andrej Podzimek wrote: I run ArchLinux with Btrfs and OpenSolaris with ZFS. I haven't had a serious issue with any of them so far. Moblin/Meego ships with btrfs by default. COW file system on a cell phone :-). Unsurprisingly for a read-mostly file system it seems pretty

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 16/07/2010 23:57, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:48 AM, BM wrote: 2. No community = stale outdated code. But there is a community. What is lacking is that Oracle, in their infinite wisdom, has stopped producing OpenSolaris developer binary releases. Not to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Pasi Kärkkäinen Redhat Fedora 13 includes BTRFS, but it's not used as a default (yet). RHEL6 beta also includes BTRFS support (tech preview), but again, Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will use

[zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-18 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:48 AM, BM wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: The *code* is probably not going away (even updates to the kernel). Even if the community dies, is killed, or commits OGB induced suicide. 1. You used correct word: probably.