Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-25 Thread Harry Putnam
Christine Tran christine.t...@gmail.com writes: OOps, I may have looked at the wrong bart. I think he meant this BART: http://blogs.sun.com/gbrunett/entry/automating_solaris_10_file_integrity I'm going to make one quick comment about this, despite better judgment to probably keep quiet. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-24 Thread Harry Putnam
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: Someone pointed out that you can use bart, but that also scans the directories. It might do what you want, but it doesn't work at the zpool / zfs level, just at the file level layer. Apparently I missed any suggestion about bart, but looking it up just

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-24 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: At just a quick read, it really just sounds like rsync, after its been in a severe wreck and was badly crippled. OOps, I may have looked at the wrong bart. One of the first hits google turned up was: http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/bart/index.html

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-24 Thread Christine Tran
OOps, I may have looked at the wrong bart. I think he meant this BART: http://blogs.sun.com/gbrunett/entry/automating_solaris_10_file_integrity I'm going to make one quick comment about this, despite better judgment to probably keep quiet. I don't think anyone should use ZFS as a VCS like

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-23 Thread Harry Putnam
Matt Cowger mcow...@salesforce.com writes: zfs list | grep '@' zpool/f...@1154758324G - 461G - zpool/f...@1208482 6.94G - 338G - zpool/f...@daily.netbackup 1.07G - 344G - zpool/f...@1154758

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-23 Thread Bryan Allen
+-- | On 2010-03-23 16:09:05, Harry Putnam wrote: | | Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:09:05 -0500 | From: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com | To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org | Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-23 Thread Matt Cowger
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool +-- | On 2010-03-23 16:09:05, Harry Putnam wrote: | | Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:09:05 -0500 | From: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com | To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-23 Thread Cyril Plisko
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Matt Cowger mcow...@salesforce.com writes: zfs list | grep '@' zpool/f...@1154758                            324G      -   461G  - zpool/f...@1208482                           6.94G      -   338G  -

[zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Harry Putnam
This may be a bit dimwitted since I don't really understand how snapshots work. I mean the part concerning COW (copy on right) and how it takes so little room. But here I'm not asking about that. It appears to me that the default snapshot setup shares some aspects of a vcs (version control

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Matt Cowger
-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Harry Putnam Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:34 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool This may be a bit dimwitted since I don't really understand how snapshots work. I mean the part concerning COW (copy on right

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/23/10 09:34 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: This may be a bit dimwitted since I don't really understand how snapshots work. I mean the part concerning COW (copy on right) and how it takes so little room. But here I'm not asking about that. It appears to me that the default snapshot setup shares

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
This may be a bit dimwitted since I don't really understand how snapshots work. I mean the part concerning COW (copy on right) and how it takes so little room. COW and snapshots are very simple to explain. Suppose you're chugging along using your filesystem, and then one moment, you tell the

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Matt Cowger mcow...@salesforce.com writes: This is totally doable, and a reasonable use of zfs snapshots - we do some similar things. Good, thanks for the input. You can easily determine if the snapshot has changed by checking the output of zfs list for the snapshot. Do you mean to just

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Matt Cowger
...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Harry Putnam Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:23 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool Matt Cowger mcow...@salesforce.com writes: This is totally doable, and a reasonable use of zfs snapshots - we do some

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 03/23/10 09:34 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: Oh, something I meant to ask... is there some standard way to tell before calling for a snapshot, if the directory structure has changed at all, other than aging I mean. Is there

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
You can easily determine if the snapshot has changed by checking the output of zfs list for the snapshot. Do you mean to just grep it out of the output of zfs list -t snapshot I think the point is: You can easily tell how many MB changed in a snapshot, and therefore you can easily