Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-06 Thread Ross
Ghost should work just fine. It's not just a windows program, it's best used on a bootable cd or floppy (or network boot for the adventurous), and it'll backup any hard drive, not just windows. If you're using ghost it's always best to have a bootable CD or similar, since you can recover the

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-06 Thread Albert Lee
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:53 -0700, Brandon High wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Aubrey Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? You could probably use a Ghost bootdisk to create an image of a

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-06 Thread Aubrey Li
Hi Erik, Thanks for your instruction, but let me dig into details. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus, you could do this: (1) Install system A No problem, :-) (2) hook USB drive to A, and mount it at /mnt I created a zfs pool, and mount it at

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-06 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Aubrey Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, zfs send tank/root /mnt/root doesn't work, zfs send can't accept a directory as an output. So I use zfs send and zfs receive: Really? zfs send just gives you a byte stream, and the shell redirects it to the file root in

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-06 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Albert Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raw disk images are, uh, nice and all, but I don't think that was what Aubrey had in mind when asking zfs-discuss about a backup solution. This is 2008, not 1960. But retro is in! The point that I didn't really make is that

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-06 Thread Aubrey Li
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Brandon High [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Aubrey Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, zfs send tank/root /mnt/root doesn't work, zfs send can't accept a directory as an output. So I use zfs send and zfs receive: Really? zfs send just

[zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Aubrey Li
Hi list, for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? I want to create a image and install to another machine, So that the personal configuration will not be lost. Thanks, -Aubrey ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Hi list, for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? I want to create a image and install to another machine, So that the personal configuration will not be lost. Since I don't do Windows, I'm not familiar with ghost, but I gather

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Tim Foster
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:44 +0800, Aubrey Li wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? How about flar ? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5668/flash-24?a=view [ I'm actually not sure if it's supported for zfs root though ]

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:44 +0800, Aubrey Li wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? How about flar ? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5668/flash-24?a=v iew [ I'm actually not sure if it's supported for zfs root

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:44 +0800, Aubrey Li wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? How about flar ? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5668/flash-24?a=view [ I'm actually not sure

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zfs has send and receive commands, which more or less correspond to ufsdump and ufsrestore for ufs, except that the names send and receive are perhaps more appropriate, since the zfs(1m) man page says: The format of the stream is evolving. No

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Tim Foster
Hey Joerg, On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 13:47 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: How about flar ? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5668/flash-24?a=view [ I'm actually not sure if it's supported for zfs root though ] Isn't flar based on the outdated cpio? cpio was updated to support ZFS ACLs as

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
Joerg Schilling wrote: Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zfs has send and receive commands, which more or less correspond to ufsdump and ufsrestore for ufs, except that the names send and receive are perhaps more appropriate, since the zfs(1m) man page says: The format

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Joerg, On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 13:47 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: How about flar ? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5668/flash-24?a=view [ I'm actually not sure if it's supported for zfs root though ] Isn't flar based on the outdated

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bare-metal restore generally means that you give it a piece of hardware with nothing installed on it, boot it somehow, and the restore program can bring the machine all the way back up to a previously-stored state. Norton Ghost has two main purposes,

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
Joerg Schilling wrote: Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Joerg, On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 13:47 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: How about flar ? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5668/flash-24?a=view [ I'm actually not sure if it's supported for zfs root though ]

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Aubrey Li
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? I want to create a image and install to another machine, So that the personal configuration will not be

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Aubrey Li
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:44 +0800, Aubrey Li wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? How about flar ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
Aubrey Li wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:44 +0800, Aubrey Li wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? How

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Aubrey Li
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aubrey Li wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:44 +0800, Aubrey Li wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
Aubrey Li wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? I want to create a image and install to another machine, So that the personal

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
Aubrey Li wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure that OpenSolaris 2008.5 is the same a Nevada b89, which definite _does_ have flar. No, OpenSolaris 200805 is based on b86, not b89. And if you read indiana mailing list, you'll

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: I am talking about the cpio program creating cpio archives and this is what I believe happens in flar. Not so sure - man flash_archive(4) you can choose the archiver you want it to use. In terms of flar being extensible, it doesn't matter - the

Re: [zfs-discuss] system backup and recovery

2008-06-05 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Aubrey Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for windows we use ghost to backup system and recovery. can we do similar thing for solaris by ZFS? You could probably use a Ghost bootdisk to create an image of a OpenSolaris system. I've also used Drive Snapshot to image