Re: [zfs-discuss] sharing a storage array

2006-07-27 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> I have a SAS array with a zfs pool on it. zfs automatically searches for > and mounts the zfs pool I've created there. I want to attach another > host to this array, but it doesn't have any provision for zones or the > like. (Like you would find in an FC array or in the switch infrastructure.)

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharing a storage array

2006-07-27 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> > bonus questions: any idea when hot spares will make it to S10? > > good question :) It'll be in U3, and probably available as patches for U2 as well. The reason for U2 patches is Thumper (x4500), because we want ZFS on Thumper to have hot spares and double-parity RAID-Z from day one. Jeff _

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharing a storage array

2006-07-27 Thread grant beattie
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 10:41:10PM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On July 28, 2006 11:59:50 AM +1000 grant beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >ZFS won't automatically import a pool unless it is explicitly exported > >first via "zfs export", so it should be safe to do this, but it has to > >be

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharing a storage array

2006-07-27 Thread Frank Cusack
On July 28, 2006 11:59:50 AM +1000 grant beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ZFS won't automatically import a pool unless it is explicitly exported first via "zfs export", so it should be safe to do this, but it has to be done at the pool level, not the filesystem level. Just to clarify, that w

Re: [zfs-discuss] persistent errors - which file?

2006-07-27 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> I've a non-mirrored zfs file systems which shows the status below. I saw > the thread in the archives about working this out but it looks like ZFS > messages have changed. How do I find out what file(s) this is? > [...] > errors: The following persistent errors have been detected: > >

[zfs-discuss] persistent errors - which file?

2006-07-27 Thread trevor pretty
I've a non-mirrored zfs file systems which shows the status below. I saw the thread in the archives about working this out but it looks like ZFS messages have changed. How do I find out what file(s) this is? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:] uname -a SunOS nevada 5.11 snv_38 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 [EMAI

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Boot Disk

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:17:03PM -0500, Malahat Qureshi wrote: > Is there any way to boot of from zfs disk "work around" ?? Yes, see http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/tabriz?entry=are_you_ready_to_rumble --mat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@o

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharing a storage array

2006-07-27 Thread grant beattie
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 06:35:06PM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > Hi > > I have a SAS array with a zfs pool on it. zfs automatically searches for > and mounts the zfs pool I've created there. I want to attach another > host to this array, but it doesn't have any provision for zones or the > like.

[zfs-discuss] sharing a storage array

2006-07-27 Thread Frank Cusack
Hi I have a SAS array with a zfs pool on it. zfs automatically searches for and mounts the zfs pool I've created there. I want to attach another host to this array, but it doesn't have any provision for zones or the like. (Like you would find in an FC array or in the switch infrastructure.) W

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Boot Disk

2006-07-27 Thread Malahat Qureshi
Is there any way to boot of from zfs disk "work around" ?? regards, Malahat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Feature proposal: differential pools

2006-07-27 Thread Henk Langeveld
Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since ZFS is COW, can I have a read-only pool (on a central file server, or on a DVD, etc) with a separate block-differential pool on my local hard disk to store writes? This way, the pool in use can be read-write, even if the main pool itself is read-only, with

Re: [zfs-discuss] 6424554

2006-07-27 Thread Fred Zlotnick
Hi Robert, The fix for 6424554 is being backported to S10 and will be available in S10U3, later this year. -- Fred Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello zfs-discuss, Is someone working on a backport (patch) to S10? Any timeframe? begin:vcard fn:Fred Zlotnick n:Zlotnick;Fred org:Sun Microsystems, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS compression best-practice?

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 03:54:02PM -0400, Christine Tran wrote: > - What is the compression algorithm used? It is based on the Lempel-Ziv algorithm. > - Is there a ZFS feature that will output the real uncompressed size of > the data? The scenario is if they had to move a compressed ZFS > file

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread James Dickens
On 7/27/06, Darren Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > one more time with the attachment I wouldn't say that either system had "Raid-5". Both raid-4 and raid-z have significant differences in how they work from raid-5. Netapp certainly has quotas, but they're not as flexible as ZFS. Can you e

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 10:17:47AM -0700, Praveen Mogili wrote: > S10 and ZFS is opensource is great but If there is > some solid material with technical detailsI would > really appreciate it. The ZFS on-disk file format is here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ondiskformatfinal.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread Darren Dunham
> one more time with the attachment I wouldn't say that either system had "Raid-5". Both raid-4 and raid-z have significant differences in how they work from raid-5. Netapp certainly has quotas, but they're not as flexible as ZFS. Can you explain more what you mean by 'Raw device' and 'volume s

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread Richard Elling
From a RAS perspective, ZFS's end-to-end data integrity feature is critical. If the competing file system doesn't have this capability, then they can't play in this sandbox. -- richard ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread Bev Crair
James, This might be interesting to add to the file system wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems I don't see WAFL there... Bev. James Dickens wrote: one more time with the attachment On 7/27/06, James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/27/06, Pra

Re: [zfs-discuss] This may be a somewhat silly question ...

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 06:30:46PM -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote: > > ... but I have to ask. > > How do I back this up? The following two RFEs would help you out enormously: 6421958 want recursive zfs send ('zfs send -r') 6421959 want zfs send to preserve properties ('zfs send -p') As far as RFEs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supporting ~10K users on ZFS

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:12:09AM -0700, Steve Bennett wrote: > > How did you measure it? (I'm not saying it doesn't > > take those 45kB - just I haven't checked it myself > > and I wonder how you checked it). > > ran 'top', looked at 'mem free' > created 1000 filesystems > ran 'top' again. > reb

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supporting ~10K users on ZFS

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:20:56PM +0200, Robert Milkowski wrote: > btw: I belive it was discussed here before - it would be great if one > would automatically convert given directory on zfs filesystem into zfs > filesystem (without actually copying all data) Yep, and an RFE filed: 6400399 want "

[zfs-discuss] ZFS compression best-practice?

2006-07-27 Thread Christine Tran
Hi there, Customer has some questions regarding ZFS compression. - What is the compression algorithm used? - How much space saving, ballpark? (I said it depends on the data but customer still wants to know if we have stats.) - Is there a ZFS feature that will output the real uncompressed siz

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread James Dickens
one more time with the attachment On 7/27/06, James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/27/06, Praveen Mogili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I m sure some of you may have heard this already > ' ZFS is a reverse engineered WAFL' > from NetApp guys. If not, you will soon... > > Has any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zones root-fs in ZFS ? (fwd)

2006-07-27 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Eric Schrock wrote: Upon closer inspection, we found that this scenario should work with the current upgrade solution. What will definitely not work is to delegate a ZFS dataset to a local zone, and then place system software (i.e. Solaris package contents) within such a filesystem. This should

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread James Dickens
On 7/27/06, Praveen Mogili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I m sure some of you may have heard this already ' ZFS is a reverse engineered WAFL' from NetApp guys. If not, you will soon... Has anyone put together a white paper or a presentation or some bullet points positioning ZFS vs WAFL. S10

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS needs a viable backup mechanism

2006-07-27 Thread Richard Elling
Timing is everything :-) http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-6612 -- richard Richard Elling wrote: Craig Morgan wrote: Spare a thought also for the remote serviceability aspects of these systems, if customers raise calls/escalations against such systems then our remote support/solution cent

Re: [zfs-discuss] Feature proposal: differential pools

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:02:14PM -0700, Andrew wrote: > Since ZFS is COW, can I have a read-only pool (on a central file > server, or on a DVD, etc) with a separate block-differential pool on > my local hard disk to store writes? > > This way, the pool in use can be read-write, even if the main p

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zones root-fs in ZFS ? (fwd)

2006-07-27 Thread Lori Alt
Matty wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Eric Schrock wrote: The original reasoning was that we didn't have enough time to validate the behavior of the zone upgrade tools with ZFS as the root filesystem, particularly as these tools (Ashanti, Zulu) are a moving target. Upon closer inspection, we foun

Re: [zfs-discuss] Feature proposal: trashcan via auto-snapshot with every txg commit

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:23:21PM -0700, Andrew wrote: > Do an automatic pool snapshot (using the recursive atomic snapshot > feature that Matt Ahrens implemented recently, taking time > proportional to the number of filesystems in the pool) upon every txg > commit. This is a good idea, one that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zones root-fs in ZFS ? (fwd)

2006-07-27 Thread Matty
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Eric Schrock wrote: The original reasoning was that we didn't have enough time to validate the behavior of the zone upgrade tools with ZFS as the root filesystem, particularly as these tools (Ashanti, Zulu) are a moving target. Upon closer inspection, we found that this sc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zones root-fs in ZFS ? (fwd)

2006-07-27 Thread Eric Schrock
The original reasoning was that we didn't have enough time to validate the behavior of the zone upgrade tools with ZFS as the root filesystem, particularly as these tools (Ashanti, Zulu) are a moving target. Upon closer inspection, we found that this scenario should work with the current upgrade s

[zfs-discuss] ZFS vs WAFL positioning

2006-07-27 Thread Praveen Mogili
Hi, I m sure some of you may have heard this already ' ZFS is a reverse engineered WAFL' from NetApp guys. If not, you will soon... Has anyone put together a white paper or a presentation or some bullet points positioning ZFS vs WAFL. S10 and ZFS is opensource is great but If there is some sol

[zfs-discuss] Zones root-fs in ZFS ? (fwd)

2006-07-27 Thread Rich Teer
I saw this question over in zones-discuss and thought the ZFS team could add something useful. If I read the caution right, I'll have to re-think my disk allocation strategy... -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: cluster features

2006-07-27 Thread Richard Elling
Karsten Hashimoto wrote: I would urgently need a Cluster Filesystem that runs with Oracle Clusterware. Today, we would recommend the Sun Cluster Advanced Edition for Oracle RAC. This includes QFS which is a distributed file system. See http://www.sun.com/software/cluster/faq.xml#q21 Currently

[zfs-discuss] Re: cluster features

2006-07-27 Thread Karsten Hashimoto
I would urgently need a Cluster Filesystem that runs with Oracle Clusterware. Currently Cluster Filesystems with Solaris need very expensive solutions (like Veritas Storage Foundation or SUN Cluster) that are no longer accepted by the customers (with regard to Linux solutions). That's why I want

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-27 Thread Gary Combs
For S10U3, RR is 11/13/06 and GA is 11/27/06. Gary Bennett, Steve wrote: Eric said: For U3, these are the performance fixes: 6424554 full block re-writes need not read data in 6440499 zil should avoid txg_wait_synced() and use dmu_sync() to issue parallelIOs when fsyncing 64473

RE: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-27 Thread Bennett, Steve
Eric said: > For U3, these are the performance fixes: > 6424554 full block re-writes need not read data in > 6440499 zil should avoid txg_wait_synced() and use dmu_sync() > to issue > parallelIOs when fsyncing > 6447377 ZFS prefetch is inconsistant > 6373978 want to take lots of snapshots quickly

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-27 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello eric, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 4:34:16 AM, you wrote: ek> Robert Milkowski wrote: >>Hello George, >> >>Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 7:27:04 AM, you wrote: >> >> >>GW> Additionally, I've just putback the latest feature set and bugfixes >>GW> which will be part of s10u3_03. There were some add