[zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import because it is in faulted st

2006-09-07 Thread Lieven De Geyndt
So I can manage the file system mounts/automounts using the legacy option , but I can't manage the auto-import of the pools . Or I should delete the zpool.cache file during boot . This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing

[zfs-discuss] Performance problem of ZFS ( Sol 10U2 )

2006-09-07 Thread Ivan Debnár
Hi, I deployed ZFS on our mailserver recently, hoping for eternal peace after running on UFS and moving files witch each TB added. It is mailserver - it's mdirs are on ZFS pool: capacity operationsbandwidth poolused avail read

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import because it is in faulted st

2006-09-07 Thread James C. McPherson
Lieven De Geyndt wrote: So I can manage the file system mounts/automounts using the legacy option , but I can't manage the auto-import of the pools . Or I should delete the zpool.cache file during boot . Doesn't this come back to the problem which is self-induced, namely that they are trying

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import because it is in faulted st

2006-09-07 Thread Frank Cusack
On September 7, 2006 6:55:48 PM +1000 James C. McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't this come back to the problem which is self-induced, namely that they are trying poor man's cluster ?? If you want cluster functionality then pay for a proper solution. If you can't afford a proper

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS forces system to paging to the point it is

2006-09-07 Thread Jürgen Keil
We are trying to obtain a mutex that is currently held by another thread trying to get memory. Hmm, reminds me a bit on the zvol swap hang I got some time ago: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=11956tstart=150 I guess if the other thead is stuck trying to get memory, then

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import because it is in faulted st

2006-09-07 Thread James C. McPherson
Lieven De Geyndt wrote: I know this is not supported . But we try to build a safe configuration, till zfs is supported in Sun cluster. The customer did order SunCluster, but needs a workarround till the release date . And I think it must be possible to setup . So build them a configuration

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS forces system to paging to the point it is

2006-09-07 Thread Mark Maybee
Jürgen Keil wrote: We are trying to obtain a mutex that is currently held by another thread trying to get memory. Hmm, reminds me a bit on the zvol swap hang I got some time ago: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=11956tstart=150 I guess if the other thead is stuck trying

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS forces system to paging to the point it is

2006-09-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Mark, Thursday, September 7, 2006, 12:32:32 AM, you wrote: MM Robert Milkowski wrote: On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Mark Maybee wrote: Robert Milkowski wrote: ::dnlc!wc 1048545 3145811 76522461 Well, that explains half your problem... and maybe all of it: After I reduced vdev

Re: [zfs-discuss] Performance problem of ZFS ( Sol 10U2 )

2006-09-07 Thread Mark Maybee
Ivan, What mail clients use your mail server? You may be seeing the effects of: 6440499 zil should avoid txg_wait_synced() and use dmu_sync() to issue parallel IOs when fsyncing This bug was fixed in nevada build 43, and I don't think made it into s10 update 2. It will, of course, be in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import

2006-09-07 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 11:32:18AM -0700, Darren Dunham wrote: I know that VxVM stores the autoimport information on the disk itself. It sounds like ZFS doesn't and it's only in the cache (is this correct?) I'm not sure what 'autoimport' is, but ZFS always stores enough information on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320

2006-09-07 Thread James Dickens
On 9/7/06, Torrey McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Dorfsman wrote: The hard part is getting a set of simple requirements. As you go into more complex data center environments you get hit with older Solaris revs, other OSs, SOX compliance issues, etc. etc. etc. The world where most

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-07 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the case where I don't understand Sun's politics at all: Sun doesn't offer really cheap JBOD which can be bought just for ZFS. And don't even tell me about 3310/3320 JBODs - they are horrible expansive :-( Yep, multipacks are EOL for some time now -- killed by

RE: [zfs-discuss] Performance problem of ZFS ( Sol 10U2 )

2006-09-07 Thread Ivan Debnár
Hi, thanks for respose. As this is close-source mailserver (CommuniGate pro), I can't say 100% answer, but the writes that I see that take too much time (15-30secs) are writes from temp queue to final storage, and from my understanding, they are sync so the queue manager can guarantee they

[zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320

2006-09-07 Thread Anton B. Rang
The bigger problem with system utilization for software RAID is the cache, not the CPU cycles proper. Simply preparing to write 1 MB of data will flush half of a 2 MB L2 cache. This hurts overall system performance far more than the few microseconds that XORing the data takes. (A similar

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import

2006-09-07 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 01:09:47PM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: That zfs needs to address. What if I simply lose power to one of the hosts, and then power is restored? Then use a layered clustering product - that's what this is for. For example, SunCluster doesn't use the cache file in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import

2006-09-07 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 01:52:33PM -0700, Darren Dunham wrote: What are the problems that you see with that check? It appears similar to what VxVM has been using (although they do not use the `hostid` as the field), and that appears to have worked well in most cases. I don't know what

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: How to destroy a pool wich you can't import

2006-09-07 Thread Anton B. Rang
A determined administrator can always get around any checks and cause problems. We should do our very best to prevent data loss, though! This case is particularly bad since simply booting a machine can permanently damage the pool. And why would we want a pool imported on another host, or not