Re: [zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Ben Rockwood
Peter Schuller wrote: Hello, with the advent of clones and snapshots, one will of course start creating them. Which also means destroying them. Am I the only one who is *extremely* nervous about doing "zfs destroy some/[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? This goes bot manually and automatically in a script. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Krzys
Hey, that's nothing, I had one zfs file system, then I cloned it, so I thought that I had two separate file systems. then I was making snaps of both of them. Then later on I decided I did not need original file system with its snaps. So I did recursively remove it, all of a sudden I got a message

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Darren Dunham
> Rather than rehash this, again, from scratch. Refer to a previous rehashing. > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=15363&; That thread really did quickly move to arguments about confirmations and their usefulness or annoyance. I think the idea presented of adding someth

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Richard Elling
Rather than rehash this, again, from scratch. Refer to a previous rehashing. http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=15363&; -- richard Peter Schuller wrote: Hello, with the advent of clones and snapshots, one will of course start creating them. Which also means destroy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Darren Dunham
> with the advent of clones and snapshots, one will of course start > creating them. Which also means destroying them. > > Am I the only one who is *extremely* nervous about doing "zfs destroy > some/[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? > > This goes bot manually and automatically in a script. I am very paranoid

[zfs-discuss] Re: AVS replication vs ZFS send recieve for odd sized volume pairs

2007-05-18 Thread John-Paul Drawneek
Yes, i am also interested in this. We can't afford two super fast setup so we are looking at having a huge pile sata to act as a real time backup for all our streams. So what can AVS do and its limitations are? Would a just using zfs send and receive do or does AVS make it all seamless? Th

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS - Use h/w raid or not? Thoughts. Considerations.

2007-05-18 Thread Chad Mynhier
On 5/17/07, Robert Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Phillip, Thursday, May 17, 2007, 6:30:38 PM, you wrote: PF> [b]Given[/b]: A Solaris 10 u3 server with an externally attached PF> disk array with RAID controller(s) PF> [b]Question[/b]: Is it better to create a zpool from a PF> [u]

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS over a layered driver interface

2007-05-18 Thread Shweta Krishnan
I explored this a bit and found that the ldi_ioctl in my layered driver does fail, but fails because of an "iappropriate ioctl for device " error, which the underlying ramdisk driver's ioctl returns. So doesn't seem like that's an issue at all (since I know the storage pool creation is successfu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Lots of overhead with ZFS - what am I doing wrong?

2007-05-18 Thread Richard Elling
queuing theory should explain this rather nicely. iostat measures %busy by counting if there is an entry in the queue for the clock ticks. There are two queues, one in the controller and one on the disk. As you can clearly see the way ZFS pushes the load is very different than dd or UFS. -- ri

Re: [zfs-discuss] DBMS on zpool

2007-05-18 Thread Richard Elling
homerun wrote: Hi Just playing around with zfs , trying to locate DBMS data files to zpool. DBMS i mean here are oracle and informix. currently noticed that read operations perfomance is excelent but all write operations are not and also write operations performance variates a lot. My quess for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to understand zfs RAID-Z

2007-05-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-May-07, at 4:39 PM, Ian Collins wrote: David Bustos wrote: ... maybe Sun should make more of the cost savings in storage ZFS offers to gain a cost advantage over the competition, Cheaper AND more robust+featureful is hard to beat. --T ___ zf

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Peter Schuller
> What about having dedicated commands "destroysnapshot", "destroyclone", > or "remove" (less dangerous variant of "destroy") that will never do > anything but remove snapshots or clones? Alternatively having something > along the lines of "zfs destroy --nofs" or "zfs destroy --safe". Another opti

[zfs-discuss] Making 'zfs destroy' safer

2007-05-18 Thread Peter Schuller
Hello, with the advent of clones and snapshots, one will of course start creating them. Which also means destroying them. Am I the only one who is *extremely* nervous about doing "zfs destroy some/[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? This goes bot manually and automatically in a script. I am very paranoid about

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to understand zfs RAID-Z

2007-05-18 Thread Ian Collins
David Bustos wrote: > Quoth Steven Sim on Thu, May 17, 2007 at 09:55:37AM +0800: > >>Gurus; >>I am exceedingly impressed by the ZFS although it is my humble opinion >>that Sun is not doing enough evangelizing for it. >> > > What else do you think we should be doing? > > Send

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-May-07, at 1:57 PM, William D. Hathaway wrote: An example would be if you had a raw snapshot on tape. Unless I misunderstand ZFS, you can archive the contents of a snapshot, but there's no concept of a 'raw snapshot' divorced from a filesystem. A single file or subset of files cou

[zfs-discuss] AVS replication vs ZFS send recieve for odd sized volume pairs

2007-05-18 Thread a habman
Hello all, I am interested in setting up an HA NFS server with zfs as the storage filesystem on Solaris 10 + Sun Cluster 3.2. This is an HPC environment with a 70 node cluster attached. File sizes are 1-200meg or so, with an average around 10meg. I have two servers, and due to changing specs thr

[zfs-discuss] Re: Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread William D. Hathaway
An example would be if you had a raw snapshot on tape. A single file or subset of files could be restored from it without needing the space to load the full snapshot into a zpool. This would be handy if you have a zpool with 500GB of space and 300GB used. If you had a snapshot that was 250GB

RE: [zfs-discuss] DBMS on zpool

2007-05-18 Thread Ellis, Mike
This is probably a good place to start. http://blogs.sun.com/realneel/entry/zfs_and_databases Please post back to the group with your results, I'm sure many of us are interested. Thanks, -- MikeE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of homeru

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to understand zfs RAID-Z

2007-05-18 Thread David Bustos
Quoth Steven Sim on Thu, May 17, 2007 at 09:55:37AM +0800: >Gurus; >I am exceedingly impressed by the ZFS although it is my humble opinion >that Sun is not doing enough evangelizing for it. What else do you think we should be doing? David _

[zfs-discuss] Re: Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread Chris Gerhard
I'm not sure what you want that the file system does not already provide. you can use cp to copy files out, or find(1) to find them based on time or any other attribute and then cpio to copy them out. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs

[zfs-discuss] DBMS on zpool

2007-05-18 Thread homerun
Hi Just playing around with zfs , trying to locate DBMS data files to zpool. DBMS i mean here are oracle and informix. currently noticed that read operations perfomance is excelent but all write operations are not and also write operations performance variates a lot. My quess for not so good writ

[zfs-discuss] Re: Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread William D. Hathaway
I think it would be handy if a utility could read a full zfs snapshot and restore subsets of files or directories like using something like tar -xf or ufsrestore -i. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@

Re: [zfs-discuss] Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread mnh
Darren J Moffat wrote: Is there a reason why you can't just walk through the snapshot using POSIX APIs ? The snapshot is mounted in /.zfs/snapshot/ We cannot walk through the mounted snapshot as it's not just the data that we are concerned about. We need to read the complete snapshot (da

Re: [zfs-discuss] 3320 JBOD setup

2007-05-18 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 18 May, 2007 - Dale Sears sent me these 1,5K bytes: > Tomas Ögren wrote: > >On 14 May, 2007 - Dale Sears sent me these 0,9K bytes: > > > >>I was wondering if this was a good setup for a 3320 single-bus, > >>single-host attached JBOD. There are 12 146G disks in this array: > >> > >>I used: > >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
mnh wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: mnh wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there is any way to read a ZFS snapshot using system/zfs lib (ie refer to it as a block device). I dug through the libzfs source but could not find anything that could enable me to 'read' the contents of a snapshot/filesy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread mnh
Darren J Moffat wrote: mnh wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there is any way to read a ZFS snapshot using system/zfs lib (ie refer to it as a block device). I dug through the libzfs source but could not find anything that could enable me to 'read' the contents of a snapshot/filesystem. Why

Re: [zfs-discuss] 3320 JBOD setup

2007-05-18 Thread Dale Sears
See inline near then end... Tomas Ögren wrote: On 14 May, 2007 - Dale Sears sent me these 0,9K bytes: I was wondering if this was a good setup for a 3320 single-bus, single-host attached JBOD. There are 12 146G disks in this array: I used: zpool create pool1 \ raidz2 c2t0d0 c2t1d0 c2t2d0 c2

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to understand zfs RAID-Z

2007-05-18 Thread Henk Langeveld
HL>> And to clear things - meta data are updated also in a spirit of COW - HL>> so metadata are written to new locations and then uber block is HL>> atomically updated pointing to new meta data Victor Latushkin wrote: Well, to add to this, uber-blocks are also updated in COW fashion - there is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to understand zfs RAID-Z

2007-05-18 Thread Victor Latushkin
If I understand correctly, then the parity block for RAID-Z are also written in two different atomic operations. As per RAID-5. (the only difference being each can be of a different stripe size). HL> As with Raid-5 on a four disk stripe, there are four independant HL> writes, and they

Re: [zfs-discuss] Reading a ZFS Snapshot

2007-05-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
mnh wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there is any way to read a ZFS snapshot using system/zfs lib (ie refer to it as a block device). I dug through the libzfs source but could not find anything that could enable me to 'read' the contents of a snapshot/filesystem. Why ? What problem are you tr