[zfs-discuss] zfs send vs. cp

2008-03-03 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, I had a zfs file system with recordsize=8k and a couple of large files. While doing zfs send | zfs recv I noticed it's doing about 1500 IOPS but with block size 8K so total throughput wasn't impressive. So I stopped it and tried to cp files from

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Darren J Moffat
Jeff Bonwick wrote: All that said, I'm still occasionally tempted to bring it back. It may become more relevant with flash memory as a storage medium. Would it be worth considering bring it back as part of zdb rather than part of the core zio layer ? -- Darren J Moffat

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Richard Elling
Darren J Moffat wrote: Jeff Bonwick wrote: All that said, I'm still occasionally tempted to bring it back. It may become more relevant with flash memory as a storage medium. Would it be worth considering bring it back as part of zdb rather than part of the core zio layer ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for

2008-03-03 Thread MC
I'm not convinced that single bit flips are the common failure mode for disks. I think the original suggestion might be for bad RAM more than bad disks. Just about every home computer does not have ECC RAM, so as ZFS transitions from enterprise to home, this (optional) feature sounds very

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Causefor data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Gary Mills
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:27:08AM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: me wrote: All that said, I'm still occasionally tempted to bring it back. It may become more relevant with flash memory as a storage medium. How common would be single on-disk bit flips in 128K blocks? Most enterprise

Re: [zfs-discuss] Newbie question removing disk

2008-03-03 Thread Tim
On 3/3/08, John R. Sconiers II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, New user question. In ZFS (solaris 10) are we able to evacuate a disk if I later decide to remove it from a ZFS pool. I know the answer use to be no but I'm not sure if that has changed or will change. JOHN --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Newbie question removing disk

2008-03-03 Thread Tim
On 3/3/08, John R. Sconiers II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, New user question. In ZFS (solaris 10) are we able to evacuate a disk if I later decide to remove it from a ZFS pool. I know the answer use to be no but I'm not sure if that has changed or will change. JOHN --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Darren J Moffat wrote: I'm not convinced that single bit flips are the common failure mode for disks. Most enterprise class disks already have enough ECC to correct at least 8 bytes per block. and for consumer rather than enterprise class disks ? You are assuming that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Richard Elling
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Darren J Moffat wrote: I'm not convinced that single bit flips are the common failure mode for disks. Most enterprise class disks already have enough ECC to correct at least 8 bytes per block. and for consumer rather than enterprise

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Nathan Kroenert wrote: It does seem that some of us are getting a little caught up in disks and their magnificence in what they write to the platter and read back, and overlooking the potential value of a simple (though potentially

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Boyd Adamson
Nathan Kroenert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Nathan Kroenert wrote: It does seem that some of us are getting a little caught up in disks and their magnificence in what they write to the platter and read back, and overlooking the potential value of a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dealing with Single Bit Flips - WAS: Cause for data corruption?

2008-03-03 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Hey, Bob My perspective on Big reasons for it *to* be integrated would be: - It's tested - By the folks charged with making ZFS good - It's kept in sync with the differing Zpool versions - It's documented - When the system *is* patched, any changes the patch brings are synced with the