Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com writes: Harry, The LiveCD for OpenSolaris has a driver detection tool on it - this will let you see if your hardware is supported without touching the installed XP system. Are you talking about the official Opensol-11 install iso or something else? A big

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Are you talking about the official Opensol-11 install iso or something else? The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
Blake wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Are you talking about the official Opensol-11 install iso or something else? The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. No need, it is a Java app and you can run

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Bob Netherton
Bob is right. Less chance of failure perhaps but also less protection. I don't like it when my storage lies to me :) Bob Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Blake wrote: SinceZFS is trying to

[zfs-discuss] luactive question

2009-02-27 Thread dick hoogendijk
After a liveupgrade and luactivate I can login to the -new- BE. My question is: do I have to luactive the -old- BE again if I want to chose that one from the grub menu or can I just run it if I want to. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv107 ++ +

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Blake wrote: The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. Richard Elling wrote: No need, it is a Java app and you can run it on multiple OSes. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp Its a little confusing to tell what to make of the report. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com writes: Harry, The LiveCD for OpenSolaris has a driver detection tool on it - this will let you see if your hardware is supported without touching the installed XP system. That won't help much with the one piece of hardware I posted about in OP:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
Harry Putnam wrote: Blake wrote: The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. Richard Elling wrote: No need, it is a Java app and you can run it on multiple OSes. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp Its a little confusing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com writes: Motherboards don't matter. It is what is on the motherboard that matters. In your case, it looks like everything should work except the VIA SATA RAID controller. Fortunately, the IDE controller is supported, so you should be able to install it.

Re: [zfs-discuss] luactive question

2009-02-27 Thread Jiri Navratil
Just select it from GRUB menu during boot, if you can (keyboard and display available) Jiri -- Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:29:49PM +0100, dick hoogendijk wrote: After a liveupgrade and luactivate I can login to the -new- BE. My question

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
I meant that the more layers you remove, the less layers there are that can tell ZFS something that's not true. I guess ZFS would still catch those errors in most cases - it would still be a pain to deal with needless errors. Also I like to do what the manual says, and the manual says avoid

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Blake wrote: I meant that the more layers you remove, the less layers there are that can tell ZFS something that's not true. I guess ZFS would still catch those errors in most cases - it would still be a pain to deal with needless errors. Also I like to do what the manual

Re: [zfs-discuss] luactive question

2009-02-27 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:59:02 -0700 cindy.swearin...@sun.com wrote: Its your BE, you can run it if you want to. :-) grin Select the BE from the GRUB menu to boot from even if it isn't the (lu)activated one. Be sure that every BE that you want to boot from has been activated and booted

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread C. Bergström
Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be honest.. Which brings up another question of where is the raidz stuff mostly?

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread David
RaidZ grow support On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.comwrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to storage. VMWare can give VMs direct access to the actual disks. This should avoid the overhead of using virtual disks. -B -- Brandon High : bh...@freaks.com

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread David Magda
On Feb 27, 2009, at 18:23, C. Bergström wrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be honest.. Which brings up another question of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to storage. VMWare can give VMs direct access to the actual disks. This should avoid the overhead of using virtual

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
David Magda wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 18:23, C. Bergström wrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be honest.. Which brings up

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) install to mirror from the liveCD gui zfs recovery tools

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
Brandon makes a good point. I think that's an option to pursue if you don't want to risk messing up your Windows install. If you can, dedicate entire disks, rather that partitions, to ZFS. It's easier to manage. ZFS is managed by the VMs processor in this case, so you will take a bigger

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want

[zfs-discuss] possibly a stupid question, why can I not set sharenfs=sec=krb5, rw?

2009-02-27 Thread Alastair Neil
x86 snv 108 I have a pool with around 5300 file systems called home. I can do: zfs set sharenfs=on home however zfs set sharenfs=sec=krb5,rw home complains: cannot set property for 'home': 'sharenfs' cannot be set to invalid options I feel I must be overlooking something elementary.

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread David Magda
On Feb 27, 2009, at 20:02, Richard Elling wrote: It wouldn't help. zfs send is a data stream which contains parts of files, not files (in the usual sense), so there is no real way to take a send stream and extract a file, other than by doing a receive. If you create a non-incremental

Re: [zfs-discuss] possibly a stupid question, why can I not set sharenfs=sec=krb5, rw?

2009-02-27 Thread Tim Haley
Alastair Neil wrote: x86 snv 108 I have a pool with around 5300 file systems called home. I can do: zfs set sharenfs=on home however zfs set sharenfs=sec=krb5,rw home complains: cannot set property for 'home': 'sharenfs' cannot be set to invalid options I feel I must be overlooking

[zfs-discuss] zfs receive coredump

2009-02-27 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Solaris 2008.11 r...@fsfs:/export/home/localddb/src/bup2# zfs send -R -I bup-20090223-033745UTC z...@bup-20090225-184857utc foobar r...@fsfs:/export/home/localddb/src/bup2# ls -l --si foobar -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4G 2009-02-27 21:24 foobar r...@fsfs:/export/home/localddb/src/bup2# zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] possibly a stupid question, why can I not set sharenfs=sec=krb5, rw?

2009-02-27 Thread Alastair Neil
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Tim Haley tim.ha...@sun.com wrote: Alastair Neil wrote: x86 snv 108 I have a pool with around 5300 file systems called home. I can do: zfs set sharenfs=on home however zfs set sharenfs=sec=krb5,rw home complains: cannot set property for 'home':

Re: [zfs-discuss] possibly a stupid question, why can I not set sharenfs=sec=krb5, rw?

2009-02-27 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:25:42PM -0500, Alastair Neil wrote: I can tell it's been a while since I did this - forgot to uncomment the correct lines in /etc/nfssec.conf You're not the only one who gets tripped up by this. If you use kclient(1M) then that won't happen, but preferably

[zfs-discuss] ZFS pool on external devices

2009-02-27 Thread Jiri Navratil
Hello, I had intention to use ZFS with mirrored pools on external HDDs. Unfortunatelly, I have some troubles to have it running as planned. I'm enclosing my results so far. Please let me know, if some of you have similar issues or not. Thank you. Firstly, I can't access 1TB disks via FireWare.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs receive coredump

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Solaris 2008.11 r...@fsfs:/export/home/localddb/src/bup2# zfs send -R -I bup-20090223-033745UTC z...@bup-20090225-184857utc foobar r...@fsfs:/export/home/localddb/src/bup2# ls -l --si foobar -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4G 2009-02-27 21:24 foobar

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
David Magda wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 20:02, Richard Elling wrote: It wouldn't help. zfs send is a data stream which contains parts of files, not files (in the usual sense), so there is no real way to take a send stream and extract a file, other than by doing a receive. If you create a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can VirtualBox run a 64 bit guests on 32 bit host

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Brian Hechinger wo...@4amlunch.net writes: [...] I think it would be better to answer this question that it would to attempt to answer the VirtualBox question (I run it on a 64-bit OS, so I can't really answer that anyway). Thanks yes and appreciated here The benefit to running ZFS on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can VirtualBox run a 64 bit guests on 32 bit host

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Marco Lopes marco.lo...@sun.com writes: Correct, VirtualBox 2.1 and above will allow a 64 bit VM on top of a 32 bit host OS, but it requires a CPU with AMD-V or VT-x support. Without the CPU virtualization extensions Virtualbox will only allow a 32 bit VM on a 32 bit host OS. For the

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread C. Bergström
Blake wrote: Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread C. Bergström
Blake wrote: Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration With the libzfs java bindings I am plotting a web based interface.. I'm not sure if that would meet this gnome requirement though.. Knowing specifically what you'd want to do in that interface would be good.. I planned to compare it to