Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread David Magda
On Aug 14, 2010, at 19:39, Kevin Walker wrote: I once watched a video interview with Larry from Oracle, this ass rambled on about how he hates cloud computing and that everyone was getting into cloud computing and in his opinion no one understood cloud computing, apart from him... :-|

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread David Magda
On Aug 14, 2010, at 14:54, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: Russ Price For me, Solaris had zero mindshare since its beginning, on account of being prohibitively expensive. I hear that a lot, and I don't get it. $400/yr does move it out of peoples' basements generally, and keeps sol10

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, David Magda wrote: But that US$ 400 was only if you wanted support. For the last little while you could run Solaris 10 legally without a support contract without issues. The $400 number is bogus since the amount that Oracle quotes now depends on the value of the

[zfs-discuss] send/recv reads a lot from destination zpool

2010-08-15 Thread Jerome Warnier
I just copied a snapshot from one zpool (let's call is source) to another one (destination) on the same machine using zpool send/recv. I'm wondering why this process is taking so much bandwidth reading from destination, while writing to it, or reading from source did not? At least this is what

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 07:38 -0700, Richard Jahnel wrote: FWIW I'm making a significant bet that Nexenta plus Illumos will be the future for the space in which I operate. I had already begun the process of migrating my 134 boxes over to Nexenta before Oracle's cunning plans became known.

Re: [zfs-discuss] send/recv reads a lot from destination zpool

2010-08-15 Thread Phil Harman
I saw this the other day when doing an initial auto sync from one Nexenta 3.0.3 node to another (using the ZFS/SSH method). I later tried it again with a fresh destination pool and the read traffic was minimal. Sadly I didn't have an opportunity to do and investigation, but it doesn't fit my

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, David Magda wrote: But that US$ 400 was only if you wanted support. For the last little while you could run Solaris 10 legally without a support contract without issues. The $400

[zfs-discuss] Help! Dedup delete FS advice needed!!

2010-08-15 Thread Marc Emmerson
Hi all, I have a 10TB array (zpool = 2x 5 disk raidz1), I had dedup enabled on a couple of filesystems which I decided to delete last week, the first contained about 6GB of data and was deleted in about 30 minutes, the second (about 100GB of VMs) is still being deleted (I think) 4.5 days later!

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help! Dedup delete FS advice needed!!

2010-08-15 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Marc Emmerson marc.emmer...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I have a 10TB array (zpool = 2x 5 disk raidz1), I had dedup enabled on a couple of filesystems which I decided to delete last week, the first contained about 6GB of data and was deleted in about 30 minutes,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Walker
To be fair, he did talk some sense about how everyone was claiming to have a product that was cloud computing, but I still don't like Oracle. With there current Java Patent war with Google and now this with OpenSolaris, it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Will this affect ZFS being used in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help! Dedup delete FS advice needed!!

2010-08-15 Thread Marc Emmerson
thanks Tim, I have just chucked in another 4GB, hopefully I'll have my server back come the morning! cheers, Marc -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need to convert or remove some un-removable drives

2010-08-15 Thread TheJay
Is there anybody that can help me, or come up with a suggestion other than take a backup to another pool/tape? On Aug 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, TheJay wrote: Guys, Need your help. My DEV134 OSOL build with my 30TB disk system got really screwed due to my fat fingers :-( I added 3 drives to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need to convert or remove some un-removable drives

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 15, 2010, at 2:05 PM, TheJay wrote: Is there anybody that can help me, or come up with a suggestion other than take a backup to another pool/tape? Attach mirrors to c6t5d0, c6t7d0, and c6t8d0. -- richard On Aug 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, TheJay wrote: Guys, Need your help. My

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help! Dedup delete FS advice needed!!

2010-08-15 Thread Victor Latushkin
On Aug 15, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Marc Emmerson wrote: Hi all, I have a 10TB array (zpool = 2x 5 disk raidz1), I had dedup enabled on a couple of filesystems which I decided to delete last week, the first contained about 6GB of data and was deleted in about 30 minutes, the second (about

[zfs-discuss] ZFS pool and filesystem version list, OpenSolaris builds list

2010-08-15 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Hello, This is a consolidated list of ZFS pool and filesystem versions, along with the builds and systems they are found in. It is based on multiple online sources. Some of you may find it useful in figuring out where things are at across the spectrum of systems supporting ZFS including

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS diaspora (was Opensolaris is apparently dead)

2010-08-15 Thread Haudy Kazemi
For the ZFS diaspora: 1.) For the immediate and near term future (say 1 year), what makes a better choice for a new install of a ZFS-class filesystem? Would it be FreeBSD 8 with it's older ZFS version (pool version 14), or NexentaCore with newer ZFS (pool version 25(?) ), NexentaStor, or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jerome Warnier Do not forget Btrfs is mainly developed by ... Oracle. Will it survive better than Free Solaris/ZFS? It's gpl. Just as zfs is cddl. They cannot undo, or revoke the free

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Bob Friesenhahn The $400 number is bogus since the amount that Oracle quotes now depends on the value of the hardware that the OS will run on. For my Using the same logic, if I said MS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tim Cook The cost discussion is ridiculous, period.  $400 is a steal for support.  You'll pay 3x or more for the same thing from Redhat or Novell. Actually, as a comparison with the message

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS pool and filesystem version list, OpenSolaris builds list

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: Hello, This is a consolidated list of ZFS pool and filesystem versions, along with the builds and systems they are found in. It is based on multiple online sources. Some of you may find it useful in figuring out where things are at across

[zfs-discuss] Is the error threshold for a degraded device configurable?

2010-08-15 Thread Ian Collins
I look after an x4500 for a client and wee keep getting drives marked as degraded with just over 20 checksum errors. Most of these errors appear to be driver or hardware related and thier frequency increases during a resilver, which can lead to a death spiral. The increase in errors within a

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool 'stuck' after failed zvol destory and reboot

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 11, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Ville Ojamo wrote: I am having a similar issue at the moment.. 3 GB RAM under ESXi, but dedup for this zvol (1.2 T) was turned off and only 300 G was used. The pool does contain other datasets with dedup turned on but are small enough so I'm not hitting the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS diaspora (was Opensolaris is apparently dead)

2010-08-15 Thread Garrett D'Amore
I'd recommend typical end-users not interested in purchasing equipment from Oracle consider Nexenta's product line for storage serving. I can tell you that we offer real support, and we have the latest code base with the most tightly integrated kernel other than Oracle's product. (And in many

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Any code can become abandonware; where it effectively bitrots into oblivion. For either ZFS or BTRFS (or any other filesystem) to survive, there have to be sufficiently skilled developers with an interest in developing and maintaining it (whether the interest is commercial or recreational).

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is the error threshold for a degraded device configurable?

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Ian Collins wrote: I look after an x4500 for a client and wee keep getting drives marked as degraded with just over 20 checksum errors. Most of these errors appear to be driver or hardware related and thier frequency increases during a resilver, which can lead

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/14/10 10:18 PM -0700 Richard Elling wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and VMware

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Paul Kraus wrote: I am looking for references of folks using ZFS with either NFS or iSCSI as the backing store for VMware (4.x) backing store for virtual machines. We asked the local VMware folks and they had not even heard of ZFS. Part of what we are

Re: [zfs-discuss] File system ownership details of ZFS file system.

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Ramesh Babu wrote: Hi, I am looking for the file system ownership information of ZFS file system. I would like to know the amount of space used and number of files owned by each user in ZFS file system. I could get the user space using 'ZFS userspace'

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is the error threshold for a degraded device configurable?

2010-08-15 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/16/10 12:37 PM, Richard Elling wrote: On Aug 15, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Ian Collins wrote: I look after an x4500 for a client and wee keep getting drives marked as degraded with just over 20 checksum errors. Most of these errors appear to be driver or hardware related and thier

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Aug-16 08:17:10 +0800, Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: For either ZFS or BTRFS (or any other filesystem) to survive, there have to be sufficiently skilled developers with an interest in developing and maintaining it (whether the interest is commercial or recreational). Agreed.