Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tim Cook > > The response was that Sun makes sure all drives > are exactly the same size (although I do recall someone on this forum having > this issue with Sun OEM disks as well). That was me. Sun branded Intel SSD being reported 0.01Gb smaller. But after bashing my brains out for a few days, we discovered there was some operation I could perform on the HBA which solved the problem. I forget exactly what it was - something like a factory installed disk label or something, which I overwrote in order to gain that 0.01G on the new drive. For this reason, I have made a habit of slicing drives, and leaving the last 1G unused. It's kind of a hassle, but as Cindy mentions, the problem should be solved in current releases. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
> > One comment: The IDEMA LBA01 spec size of a 160GB device is > > 312,581,808 sectors. > > > > Instead of those WD models, where neither the old nor new drives > > follow the IDEMA recommendation, consider buying a drive that > > reports > > that many sectors. Almost all models these days should be following > > the IDEMA recommendations due to all the troubles people have had. > > > > --eric > > > > -- > > Eric D. Mudama > > edmud...@bounceswoosh.org > > > > > Thats encouraging, if I have to I would rather buy one new disk then > 4. Get one that's a bit larger. It won't cost you a fortune. If the reseller is nice, you may even return the old one.. Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Cindy Swearingen wrote: > Hi Robert, > > We integrated some fixes that allowed you to replace disks of equivalent > sizes, but 40 MB is probably beyond that window. > > Yes, you can do #2 below and the pool size will be adjusted down to the > smaller size. Before you do this, I would check the sizes of both > spares. > I already checked, they are equivalent. > If both spares are "equivalent" smaller sizes, you could use those to > build the replacement pool with the larger disks and then put the extra > larger disks on the shelf. > > Thanks, > > Cindy I think thats what I will do, I don't wanna spend money if I don't have to... I'm kinda funny that way :-) Thanks for the info Cindy -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4 at 9:22, Robert Hartzell wrote: >> In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz >> storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks >> failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. >> When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: >> >> zpool replace tank c10t0d0 >> cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small >> >> The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: >> >> Current partition table (original): >> Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) >> >> Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector >> 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 >> 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 >> >> Spare disk partition table looks like this: >> >> Current partition table (original): >> Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) >> >> Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector >> 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 >> 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 >> 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 >> >> So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are >> about 40mb smaller then the original disks. > > > One comment: The IDEMA LBA01 spec size of a 160GB device is > 312,581,808 sectors. > > Instead of those WD models, where neither the old nor new drives > follow the IDEMA recommendation, consider buying a drive that reports > that many sectors. Almost all models these days should be following > the IDEMA recommendations due to all the troubles people have had. > > --eric > > -- > Eric D. Mudama > edmud...@bounceswoosh.org > Thats encouraging, if I have to I would rather buy one new disk then 4. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Cindy Swearingen wrote: > Robert, > > Which Solaris release is this? > > Thanks, > > Cindy > Solaris 11 express 2010.11 -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
Robert, Which Solaris release is this? Thanks, Cindy On 03/04/11 11:10, Mark J Musante wrote: The fix for 6991788 would probably let the 40mb drive work, but it would depend on the asize of the pool. On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hi Robert, We integrated some fixes that allowed you to replace disks of equivalent sizes, but 40 MB is probably beyond that window. Yes, you can do #2 below and the pool size will be adjusted down to the smaller size. Before you do this, I would check the sizes of both spares. If both spares are "equivalent" smaller sizes, you could use those to build the replacement pool with the larger disks and then put the extra larger disks on the shelf. Thanks, Cindy On 03/04/11 09:22, Robert Hartzell wrote: In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: zpool replace tank c10t0d0 cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 312560351 8.00MB 312576734 Spare disk partition table looks like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 312483583 8.00MB 312499966 So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are about 40mb smaller then the original disks. I know I can just add a larger disk but I would rather user the hardware I have if possible. 1) Is there anyway to replace the failed disk with one of the spares? 2) Can I recreate the zpool using 3 of the original disks and one of the slightly smaller spares? Will zpool/zfs adjust its size to the smaller disk? 3) If #2 is possible would I still be able to use the last still shelved disk as a spare? If #2 is possible I would probably recreate the zpool as raidz2 instead of the current raidz1. Any info/comments would be greatly appreciated. Robert -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss Regards, markm ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
On Fri, Mar 4 at 9:22, Robert Hartzell wrote: In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: zpool replace tank c10t0d0 cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 Spare disk partition table looks like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are about 40mb smaller then the original disks. One comment: The IDEMA LBA01 spec size of a 160GB device is 312,581,808 sectors. Instead of those WD models, where neither the old nor new drives follow the IDEMA recommendation, consider buying a drive that reports that many sectors. Almost all models these days should be following the IDEMA recommendations due to all the troubles people have had. --eric -- Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
The fix for 6991788 would probably let the 40mb drive work, but it would depend on the asize of the pool. On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hi Robert, We integrated some fixes that allowed you to replace disks of equivalent sizes, but 40 MB is probably beyond that window. Yes, you can do #2 below and the pool size will be adjusted down to the smaller size. Before you do this, I would check the sizes of both spares. If both spares are "equivalent" smaller sizes, you could use those to build the replacement pool with the larger disks and then put the extra larger disks on the shelf. Thanks, Cindy On 03/04/11 09:22, Robert Hartzell wrote: In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: zpool replace tank c10t0d0 cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 Spare disk partition table looks like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are about 40mb smaller then the original disks. I know I can just add a larger disk but I would rather user the hardware I have if possible. 1) Is there anyway to replace the failed disk with one of the spares? 2) Can I recreate the zpool using 3 of the original disks and one of the slightly smaller spares? Will zpool/zfs adjust its size to the smaller disk? 3) If #2 is possible would I still be able to use the last still shelved disk as a spare? If #2 is possible I would probably recreate the zpool as raidz2 instead of the current raidz1. Any info/comments would be greatly appreciated. Robert -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss Regards, markm ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
Cindy Swearingen wrote: > Hi Robert, > > We integrated some fixes that allowed you to replace disks of equivalent > sizes, but 40 MB is probably beyond that window. In former times, similar problems applied to partitioned disks with UFS and we at that time did check the market for the lowest disk size in a disk class and sold out disks with partitions that have been limited to the lowest size in order to be able to easily replace customer disks. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
Hi Robert, We integrated some fixes that allowed you to replace disks of equivalent sizes, but 40 MB is probably beyond that window. Yes, you can do #2 below and the pool size will be adjusted down to the smaller size. Before you do this, I would check the sizes of both spares. If both spares are "equivalent" smaller sizes, you could use those to build the replacement pool with the larger disks and then put the extra larger disks on the shelf. Thanks, Cindy On 03/04/11 09:22, Robert Hartzell wrote: In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: zpool replace tank c10t0d0 cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 Spare disk partition table looks like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are about 40mb smaller then the original disks. I know I can just add a larger disk but I would rather user the hardware I have if possible. 1) Is there anyway to replace the failed disk with one of the spares? 2) Can I recreate the zpool using 3 of the original disks and one of the slightly smaller spares? Will zpool/zfs adjust its size to the smaller disk? 3) If #2 is possible would I still be able to use the last still shelved disk as a spare? If #2 is possible I would probably recreate the zpool as raidz2 instead of the current raidz1. Any info/comments would be greatly appreciated. Robert -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Tim Cook wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Robert Hartzell wrote: > In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz > storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks > failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. > When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: > > zpool replace tank c10t0d0 > cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small > > The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: > > Current partition table (original): > Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) > > Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector > 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 > 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 > > Spare disk partition table looks like this: > > Current partition table (original): > Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) > > Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector > 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 > 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 > > So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are about > 40mb smaller then the original disks. > > I know I can just add a larger disk but I would rather user the hardware I > have if possible. > 1) Is there anyway to replace the failed disk with one of the spares? > 2) Can I recreate the zpool using 3 of the original disks and one of the > slightly smaller spares? Will zpool/zfs adjust its size to the smaller disk? > 3) If #2 is possible would I still be able to use the last still shelved disk > as a spare? > > If #2 is possible I would probably recreate the zpool as raidz2 instead of > the current raidz1. > > Any info/comments would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert > > > > > You cannot. That's why I suggested two years ago that they chop off 1% from > the end of the disk at install time to equalize drive sizes. That way you > you wouldn't run into this problem trying to replace disks from a different > vendor or different batch. The response was that Sun makes sure all drives > are exactly the same size (although I do recall someone on this forum having > this issue with Sun OEM disks as well). It's ridiculous they don't take into > account the slight differences in drive sizes from vendor to vendor. Forcing > you to single-source your disks is a bad habit to get into IMO. > > --Tim > Well that sucks... So I guess the only option is to replace the disk with a larger one? Or are you saying thats not possible either? I can upgrade to larger disks but then there is no guarantee that I can even buy 4 identical disks off the shelf at any one time. Thanks for the info -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] [illumos-Developer] ZFS spare disk usage issue
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:03 +0100, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > So should I post a bug, or is there one there already? > > Btw, I can't reach http://bugs.illumos.org/ - it times out Try again in a few minutes... the server just got rebooted. - Garrett > > roy > > - Original Message - > > We've talked about this, and I will be putting together a fix for this > > incorrect state handling. :-) > > > > - Garrett > > > > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 11:50 -0500, Eric Schrock wrote: > > > This looks like a pretty simple bug. The issue is that the state of > > > the SPARE vdev is being reported as REMOVED instead of DEGRADED. If > > > it were the latter (as it should be), then everything would work > > > just > > > fine. Please file a bug at bugs.illumos.org. > > > > > > > > > On a side note, this continues to expose the overly simplistic vdev > > > state model used by ZFS (one which I can take a bulk of the > > > responsibility for). Back before the days of ditto blocks and > > > SPA3.0, > > > it was sufficient to model state as a fairly binary proposition. But > > > this now has ramifications that don't necessarily make sense. For > > > example, one may be able open a pool even if a toplevel vdev is > > > faulted. And even when a spare has finished resilvering, it's left > > > in > > > the DEGRADED state, which has implications for allocation policies > > > (though I remember discussions around changing this). But the pool > > > state is derived directly from the toplevel vdev state, so if you > > > switch spares to be ONLINE, then 'zpool status' would think your > > > pool > > > is perfectly healthy. In this case it's true from a data protection > > > standpoint, but not necessarily from a "all is well in the world" > > > standpoint, as you are down one spare, and that spare may not have > > > the > > > same RAS properties as other devices in your RAID-Z stripe (it may > > > put > > > 3 disks on the same controller in one stripe, for example). > > > > > > > > > - Eric > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > > wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > I just did a small test on RAIDz2 to check whether my > > > suspicion was right about ZFS not treating spares as > > > replicas/copies of drives, and I think I've found it true. > > > The > > > short story: If two spares replaces two drives in raidz2, > > > losing a third drive, even with the spares active, makes the > > > pool unavailable. See full report on > > > > > > ODT: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.odt > > > PDF: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.pdf > > > > > > Vennlige hilsener / Best regards > > > > > > roy > > > -- > > > Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > > (+47) 97542685 > > > r...@karlsbakk.net > > > http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ > > > -- > > > I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres > > > intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle > > > pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed > > > opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og > > > relevante synonymer på norsk. > > > > > > ___ > > > Developer mailing list > > > develo...@lists.illumos.org > > > http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/developer > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eric Schrock > > > Delphix > > > > > > > > > 275 Middlefield Road, Suite 50 > > > Menlo Park, CA 94025 > > > http://www.delphix.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Developer mailing list > > > develo...@lists.illumos.org > > > http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/developer > ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] [illumos-Developer] ZFS spare disk usage issue
So should I post a bug, or is there one there already? Btw, I can't reach http://bugs.illumos.org/ - it times out roy - Original Message - > We've talked about this, and I will be putting together a fix for this > incorrect state handling. :-) > > - Garrett > > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 11:50 -0500, Eric Schrock wrote: > > This looks like a pretty simple bug. The issue is that the state of > > the SPARE vdev is being reported as REMOVED instead of DEGRADED. If > > it were the latter (as it should be), then everything would work > > just > > fine. Please file a bug at bugs.illumos.org. > > > > > > On a side note, this continues to expose the overly simplistic vdev > > state model used by ZFS (one which I can take a bulk of the > > responsibility for). Back before the days of ditto blocks and > > SPA3.0, > > it was sufficient to model state as a fairly binary proposition. But > > this now has ramifications that don't necessarily make sense. For > > example, one may be able open a pool even if a toplevel vdev is > > faulted. And even when a spare has finished resilvering, it's left > > in > > the DEGRADED state, which has implications for allocation policies > > (though I remember discussions around changing this). But the pool > > state is derived directly from the toplevel vdev state, so if you > > switch spares to be ONLINE, then 'zpool status' would think your > > pool > > is perfectly healthy. In this case it's true from a data protection > > standpoint, but not necessarily from a "all is well in the world" > > standpoint, as you are down one spare, and that spare may not have > > the > > same RAS properties as other devices in your RAID-Z stripe (it may > > put > > 3 disks on the same controller in one stripe, for example). > > > > > > - Eric > > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I just did a small test on RAIDz2 to check whether my > > suspicion was right about ZFS not treating spares as > > replicas/copies of drives, and I think I've found it true. > > The > > short story: If two spares replaces two drives in raidz2, > > losing a third drive, even with the spares active, makes the > > pool unavailable. See full report on > > > > ODT: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.odt > > PDF: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.pdf > > > > Vennlige hilsener / Best regards > > > > roy > > -- > > Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > (+47) 97542685 > > r...@karlsbakk.net > > http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ > > -- > > I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres > > intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle > > pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed > > opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og > > relevante synonymer på norsk. > > > > ___ > > Developer mailing list > > develo...@lists.illumos.org > > http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/developer > > > > > > > > -- > > Eric Schrock > > Delphix > > > > > > 275 Middlefield Road, Suite 50 > > Menlo Park, CA 94025 > > http://www.delphix.com > > > > > > ___ > > Developer mailing list > > develo...@lists.illumos.org > > http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/developer -- Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Robert Hartzell wrote: > In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz > storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks > failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. > When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: > > zpool replace tank c10t0d0 > cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small > > The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: > > Current partition table (original): > Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) > > Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector > 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 > 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 > > Spare disk partition table looks like this: > > Current partition table (original): > Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) > > Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector > 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 > 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 > 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 > > So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are > about 40mb smaller then the original disks. > > I know I can just add a larger disk but I would rather user the hardware I > have if possible. > 1) Is there anyway to replace the failed disk with one of the spares? > 2) Can I recreate the zpool using 3 of the original disks and one of the > slightly smaller spares? Will zpool/zfs adjust its size to the smaller disk? > 3) If #2 is possible would I still be able to use the last still shelved > disk as a spare? > > If #2 is possible I would probably recreate the zpool as raidz2 instead of > the current raidz1. > > Any info/comments would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert > > > You cannot. That's why I suggested two years ago that they chop off 1% from the end of the disk at install time to equalize drive sizes. That way you you wouldn't run into this problem trying to replace disks from a different vendor or different batch. The response was that Sun makes sure all drives are exactly the same size (although I do recall someone on this forum having this issue with Sun OEM disks as well). It's ridiculous they don't take into account the slight differences in drive sizes from vendor to vendor. Forcing you to single-source your disks is a bad habit to get into IMO. --Tim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] [illumos-Developer] ZFS spare disk usage issue
This looks like a pretty simple bug. The issue is that the state of the SPARE vdev is being reported as REMOVED instead of DEGRADED. If it were the latter (as it should be), then everything would work just fine. Please file a bug at bugs.illumos.org. On a side note, this continues to expose the overly simplistic vdev state model used by ZFS (one which I can take a bulk of the responsibility for). Back before the days of ditto blocks and SPA3.0, it was sufficient to model state as a fairly binary proposition. But this now has ramifications that don't necessarily make sense. For example, one may be able open a pool even if a toplevel vdev is faulted. And even when a spare has finished resilvering, it's left in the DEGRADED state, which has implications for allocation policies (though I remember discussions around changing this). But the pool state is derived directly from the toplevel vdev state, so if you switch spares to be ONLINE, then 'zpool status' would think your pool is perfectly healthy. In this case it's true from a data protection standpoint, but not necessarily from a "all is well in the world" standpoint, as you are down one spare, and that spare may not have the same RAS properties as other devices in your RAID-Z stripe (it may put 3 disks on the same controller in one stripe, for example). - Eric On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Hi all > > I just did a small test on RAIDz2 to check whether my suspicion was right > about ZFS not treating spares as replicas/copies of drives, and I think I've > found it true. The short story: If two spares replaces two drives in raidz2, > losing a third drive, even with the spares active, makes the pool > unavailable. See full report on > > ODT: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.odt > PDF: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.pdf > > Vennlige hilsener / Best regards > > roy > -- > Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > (+47) 97542685 > r...@karlsbakk.net > http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ > -- > I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det > er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av > idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate > og relevante synonymer på norsk. > > ___ > Developer mailing list > develo...@lists.illumos.org > http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/developer > -- Eric Schrock Delphix 275 Middlefield Road, Suite 50 Menlo Park, CA 94025 http://www.delphix.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] [illumos-Developer] ZFS spare disk usage issue
I understand that some of it may be a simple bug, but should it hang _all_ the pools? That's what happens when the third drive is removed... roy - Original Message - This looks like a pretty simple bug. The issue is that the state of the SPARE vdev is being reported as REMOVED instead of DEGRADED. If it were the latter (as it should be), then everything would work just fine. Please file a bug at bugs.illumos.org . On a side note, this continues to expose the overly simplistic vdev state model used by ZFS (one which I can take a bulk of the responsibility for). Back before the days of ditto blocks and SPA3.0, it was sufficient to model state as a fairly binary proposition. But this now has ramifications that don't necessarily make sense. For example, one may be able open a pool even if a toplevel vdev is faulted. And even when a spare has finished resilvering, it's left in the DEGRADED state, which has implications for allocation policies (though I remember discussions around changing this). But the pool state is derived directly from the toplevel vdev state, so if you switch spares to be ONLINE, then 'zpool status' would think your pool is perfectly healthy. In this case it's true from a data protection standpoint, but not necessarily from a "all is well in the world" standpoint, as you are down one spare, and that spare may not have the same RAS properties as other devices in your RAID-Z stripe (it may put 3 disks on the same controller in one stripe, for example). - Eric On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk < r...@karlsbakk.net > wrote: Hi all I just did a small test on RAIDz2 to check whether my suspicion was right about ZFS not treating spares as replicas/copies of drives, and I think I've found it true. The short story: If two spares replaces two drives in raidz2, losing a third drive, even with the spares active, makes the pool unavailable. See full report on ODT: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.odt PDF: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.pdf Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ Developer mailing list develo...@lists.illumos.org http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/developer -- Eric Schrock Delphix 275 Middlefield Road, Suite 50 Menlo Park, CA 94025 http://www.delphix.com -- Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small
In 2007 I bought 6 WD1600JS 160GB sata disks and used 4 to create a raidz storage pool and then shelved the other two for spares. One of the disks failed last night so I shut down the server and replaced it with a spare. When I tried to zpool replace the disk I get: zpool replace tank c10t0d0 cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small The 4 original disk partition tables look like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312560317 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.04GB 312560350 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3125603518.00MB 312576734 Spare disk partition table looks like this: Current partition table (original): Total disk sectors available: 312483549 + 16384 (reserved sectors) Part TagFlag First Sector Size Last Sector 0usrwm34 149.00GB 312483582 1 unassignedwm 0 0 0 2 unassignedwm 0 0 0 3 unassignedwm 0 0 0 4 unassignedwm 0 0 0 5 unassignedwm 0 0 0 6 unassignedwm 0 0 0 8 reservedwm 3124835838.00MB 312499966 So it seems that two of the disks are slightly different models and are about 40mb smaller then the original disks. I know I can just add a larger disk but I would rather user the hardware I have if possible. 1) Is there anyway to replace the failed disk with one of the spares? 2) Can I recreate the zpool using 3 of the original disks and one of the slightly smaller spares? Will zpool/zfs adjust its size to the smaller disk? 3) If #2 is possible would I still be able to use the last still shelved disk as a spare? If #2 is possible I would probably recreate the zpool as raidz2 instead of the current raidz1. Any info/comments would be greatly appreciated. Robert -- Robert Hartzell b...@rwhartzell.net RwHartzell.Net, Inc. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] [illumos-Developer] ZFS spare disk usage issue
- Original Message - > Hi all > > I just did a small test on RAIDz2 to check whether my suspicion was > right about ZFS not treating spares as replicas/copies of drives, and > I think I've found it true. The short story: If two spares replaces > two drives in raidz2, losing a third drive, even with the spares > active, makes the pool unavailable. See full report on Update 2010-03-04 14:15 CET I just tested on another system. This one, not in production yet, has a mirrored rpool and a 14-drive RAID10 pool named tos-data. I started a copy from a Windows machine into this CIFS share just to generate some traffic. Then I did a zfs detach of one side of each of the mirrors for tos-data and created a new 5-drive raidz2 pool name jalla with two dedicated spares. I started a dd to fill it up and plugged one drive, waited for it to resilver and plugged another, again waited for the resilver to finish and plugged the third. The server now hangs on all pools. I've also tested removing drives from mirrors and waiting for them to resilver to spares. This seems to work as expected, although I doubt booting from one will work without grub being installed. > ODT: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.odt > PDF: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.pdf These are mow updated as well Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] ZFS spare disk usage issue
Hi all I just did a small test on RAIDz2 to check whether my suspicion was right about ZFS not treating spares as replicas/copies of drives, and I think I've found it true. The short story: If two spares replaces two drives in raidz2, losing a third drive, even with the spares active, makes the pool unavailable. See full report on ODT: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.odt PDF: http://karlsbakk.net/ZFS/ZFS%20Spare%20disk%20usage.pdf Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
