Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs? (doing it right, or right now)

2007-05-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-May-07, at 5:27 PM, Andy Lubel wrote: I think it will be in the next.next (10.6) OSX, Well, the iPhone forced a few months schedule slip, perhaps *instead of* dropping features? Mind you I wouldn't be particularly surprised if ZFS wasn't in 10.5. Just so long as we get it eventua

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs? (doing it right, or right now)

2007-05-07 Thread Andy Lubel
I think it will be in the next.next (10.6) OSX, we just need to get apple to stop playing with their silly cell phone (that I cant help but want, damn them!). I have similar situation at home, but what I do is use Solaris 10 on a cheapish x86 box with 6 400gb IDE/SATA disks, I then make them into

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-07 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Lee, Yes, the hot spare (disk4) should kick if another disk in the pool fails and yes, the data is moved to disk4. You are correct: 160 GB (the smallest disk) * 3 + raidz parity info Here's the size of raidz pool comprised of 3 136-GB disks: # zpool list NAMESIZEUSED

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-07 Thread Luke Scharf
Toby Thain wrote: On 7-May-07, at 3:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lee, You can decide whether you want to use ZFS for a root file system now. You can find this info here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/ Bearing in mind that his machine is a G4 PowerPC. When Solaris 10 is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-May-07, at 3:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lee, You can decide whether you want to use ZFS for a root file system now. You can find this info here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/ Bearing in mind that his machine is a G4 PowerPC. When Solaris 10 is ported to this p

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-07 Thread Lee Fyock
Cindy, Thanks so much for the response -- this is the first one that I consider an actual answer. :-) I'm still unclear on exactly what I end up with. I apologize in advance for my ignorance -- the ZFS admin guide assumes knowledge that I don't yet have. I assume that disk4 is a hot spa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-07 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Lee, You can decide whether you want to use ZFS for a root file system now. You can find this info here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/ Consider this setup for your other disks, which are: 250, 200 and 160 GB drives, and an external USB 2.0 600 GB drive 250GB = disk1 200GB =

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-05 Thread Manoj Joseph
Lee Fyock wrote: least this year. I'd like to favor available space over performance, and be able to swap out a failed drive without losing any data. Lee Fyock later wrote: In the mean time, I'd like to hang out with the system and drives I have. As "mike" said, my understanding is that zfs wo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Darren . Reed
Al Hopper wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2007, mike wrote: Isn't the benefit of ZFS that it will allow you to use even the most unreliable risks and be able to inform you when they are attempting to corrupt your data? Yes - I won't argue that ZFS can be applied exactly as you state above. Howe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Ian Collins
Lee Fyock wrote: > I didn't mean to kick up a fuss. > > I'm reasonably zfs-savvy in that I've been reading about it for a year > or more. I'm a Mac developer and general geek; I'm excited about zfs > because it's new and cool. > > At some point I'll replace my old desktop machine with something new

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Lee Fyock
I didn't mean to kick up a fuss. I'm reasonably zfs-savvy in that I've been reading about it for a year or more. I'm a Mac developer and general geek; I'm excited about zfs because it's new and cool. At some point I'll replace my old desktop machine with something new and better -- probab

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread mike
On 5/4/07, Al Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes - I won't argue that ZFS can be applied exactly as you state above. However, ZFS is no substitute for bad practices that include: - not proactively replacing mechanical components *before* they fail - not having maintenance policies in place

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, 4 May 2007, mike wrote: > Isn't the benefit of ZFS that it will allow you to use even the most > unreliable risks and be able to inform you when they are attempting to > corrupt your data? Yes - I won't argue that ZFS can be applied exactly as you state above. However, ZFS is no substitut

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Ian Collins
mike wrote: > Isn't the benefit of ZFS that it will allow you to use even the most > unreliable risks and be able to inform you when they are attempting to > corrupt your data? > > To me it sounds like he is a SOHO user; may not have a lot of funds to > go out and swap hardware on a whim like a com

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread mike
Isn't the benefit of ZFS that it will allow you to use even the most unreliable risks and be able to inform you when they are attempting to corrupt your data? To me it sounds like he is a SOHO user; may not have a lot of funds to go out and swap hardware on a whim like a company might. ZFS in my

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Toby Thain
On 4-May-07, at 6:53 PM, Al Hopper wrote: ... [1] it continues to amaze me that many sites, large or small, don't have a (written) policy for mechanical component replacement - whether disk drives or fans. You're not the only one. In fact, while I'm not exactly talking "enterprise" level

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, 4 May 2007, Lee Fyock wrote: > Hi-- > > I'm looking forward to using zfs on my Mac at some point. My desktop > server (a dual-1.25GHz G4) has a motley collection of discs that has > accreted over the years: internal EIDE 320GB (boot drive), internal > 250, 200 and 160 GB drives, and an ext

[zfs-discuss] Motley group of discs?

2007-05-04 Thread Lee Fyock
Hi-- I'm looking forward to using zfs on my Mac at some point. My desktop server (a dual-1.25GHz G4) has a motley collection of discs that has accreted over the years: internal EIDE 320GB (boot drive), internal 250, 200 and 160 GB drives, and an external USB 2.0 600 GB drive. My guess is