Re: [zfs-discuss] Things I Like About ZFS

2009-06-21 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Dave Ringkorno-re...@opensolaris.org wrote:
 I'll start:

 - The commands are easy to remember -- all two of them.  Which is easier, SVM 
 or ZFS, to mirror your disks?  I've been using SVM for years and still have 
 to break out the manual to use metadb, metainit, metastat, metattach, 
 metadetach, etc.  I hardly ever have to break out the ZFS manual.  I can 
 actually remember the commands and options to do things.  Don't even start me 
 on VxVM.

Hehe. The simplicity is interesting. I'm actually starting to get confused by
those two commands, and start to wish it went down to one.

 - Boasting to the unconverted.  We still have a lot of VxVM and SVM on 
 Solaris, and LVM on AIX, in the office.  The other admins are always having 
 issues with storage migrations, full filesystems, Live Upgrade, corrupted 
 root filesystems, etc.  I love being able to offer solutions to their 
 immediate problems, and follow it up with, You know, if your box was on ZFS 
 this wouldn't be an issue.

Out of inodes. Huh? The very concept is so antiquated.

The great success of ZFS, to me, is the fact that it rapidly became essentially
invisible. It just does its job and you soon forget that it's there
(until you have to
deal with one of the alternatives, which throws it into sharp relief).

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Things I Like About ZFS

2009-06-21 Thread Simon Breden
OK, my turn:

- combining file system + volume manager + RAID + pool + scrub + resilvering + 
snapshots + rollback + end-to-end integrity + 256-but block checksums + 
on-the-fly healing of blocks with checksum errors on read
- one liners that are mostly remembered, and simple to guess if forgotten
- with RAID-Z2, superb protection + hot spares
- easy sharing via CIFS and NFS
- iSCSI as a block device target
- open source software RAID  no proprietary hardware RAID card required
- free
- did I forget something? :)
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[zfs-discuss] Things I Like About ZFS

2009-06-19 Thread Dave Ringkor
I'll start:

- The commands are easy to remember -- all two of them.  Which is easier, SVM 
or ZFS, to mirror your disks?  I've been using SVM for years and still have to 
break out the manual to use metadb, metainit, metastat, metattach, metadetach, 
etc.  I hardly ever have to break out the ZFS manual.  I can actually remember 
the commands and options to do things.  Don't even start me on VxVM.

- Boasting to the unconverted.  We still have a lot of VxVM and SVM on Solaris, 
and LVM on AIX, in the office.  The other admins are always having issues with 
storage migrations, full filesystems, Live Upgrade, corrupted root filesystems, 
etc.  I love being able to offer solutions to their immediate problems, and 
follow it up with, You know, if your box was on ZFS this wouldn't be an issue.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Things I Like About ZFS

2009-06-19 Thread Ian Collins

Dave Ringkor wrote:


- Boasting to the unconverted.  We still have a lot of VxVM and SVM on Solaris, and LVM 
on AIX, in the office.  The other admins are always having issues with storage 
migrations, full filesystems, Live Upgrade, corrupted root filesystems, etc.  I love 
being able to offer solutions to their immediate problems, and follow it up with, 
You know, if your box was on ZFS this wouldn't be an issue.
  
Then you ask them how much the paid for their storage, that really 
annoys windows admins!


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Re: [zfs-discuss] Things I Like About ZFS

2009-06-19 Thread Blake
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Dave Ringkorno-re...@opensolaris.org wrote:
 I'll start:

 - The commands are easy to remember -- all two of them.  Which is easier, SVM 
 or ZFS, to mirror your disks?  I've been using SVM for years and still have 
 to break out the manual to use metadb, metainit, metastat, metattach, 
 metadetach, etc.  I hardly ever have to break out the ZFS manual.  I can 
 actually remember the commands and options to do things.  Don't even start me 
 on VxVM.

 - Boasting to the unconverted.  We still have a lot of VxVM and SVM on 
 Solaris, and LVM on AIX, in the office.  The other admins are always having 
 issues with storage migrations, full filesystems, Live Upgrade, corrupted 
 root filesystems, etc.  I love being able to offer solutions to their 
 immediate problems, and follow it up with, You know, if your box was on ZFS 
 this wouldn't be an issue.

Interesting.  Usually the problems make their way to this list more
than the successes.  Glad to hear it!

BTW, ZFS just saved my skin tonight after I botched an OpenNMS upgrade
and was able to go back to my auto-snapshots :)

And there was a power failure earlier that took down a bunch of hosts
that rely on our multi-terabyte ZFS filer, as well as the filer itself
- no waiting around for fsck, thanks!

Blake
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