Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-03-02 Thread Juergen Nickelsen
Juergen Nickelsen n...@jnickelsen.de writes: Solaris Bundled Driver: * vgatext/ ** radeon Video ATI Technologies Inc R360 NJ [Radeon 9800 XT] I *think* this is the same driver used with my work laptop (which I don't have at hand to check, unfortunately), also with ATI graphics hardware.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-03-02 Thread Blake
yes, most nvidia hardware will give you much better performance on OpenSolaris (provided the card is fairly recent) On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Juergen Nickelsen n...@jnickelsen.de wrote: Juergen Nickelsen n...@jnickelsen.de writes: Solaris Bundled Driver: * vgatext/ ** radeon Video ATI

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-03-02 Thread Marion Hakanson
n...@jnickelsen.de said: As far as I know the situation with ATI is that, while ATI supplies well-performing binary drivers for MS Windows (of course) and Linux, there is no such thing for other OSs. So OpenSolaris uses standardized interfaces of the graphics hardware, which have comparatively

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-03-02 Thread Miles Nordin
bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh VMWare can give VMs direct access to the actual disks. This bh should avoid the overhead of using virtual disks. maybe some of the ``overhead'' but not necessarily the write cache sync bugs. pgp2gzrmzGLyG.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-03-02 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Can you say if it makes a noticeable difference to zfs. I'd noticed that option but didn't connect it to this conversation. Also, if I recall there is some warning about being an advanced user to use that option or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-03-01 Thread Juergen Nickelsen
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: www.jtan.com/~reader/SDDToolReport-chub-OpenSolaris.html I see the following there: Solaris Bundled Driver: * vgatext/ ** radeon Video ATI Technologies Inc R360 NJ [Radeon 9800 XT] I *think* this is the same driver used with my work laptop (which I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com writes: Harry, The LiveCD for OpenSolaris has a driver detection tool on it - this will let you see if your hardware is supported without touching the installed XP system. Are you talking about the official Opensol-11 install iso or something else? A big

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Are you talking about the official Opensol-11 install iso or something else? The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
Blake wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Are you talking about the official Opensol-11 install iso or something else? The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. No need, it is a Java app and you can run

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Bob Netherton
Bob is right. Less chance of failure perhaps but also less protection. I don't like it when my storage lies to me :) Bob Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Blake wrote: SinceZFS is trying to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Blake wrote: The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. Richard Elling wrote: No need, it is a Java app and you can run it on multiple OSes. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp Its a little confusing to tell what to make of the report. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com writes: Harry, The LiveCD for OpenSolaris has a driver detection tool on it - this will let you see if your hardware is supported without touching the installed XP system. That won't help much with the one piece of hardware I posted about in OP:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
Harry Putnam wrote: Blake wrote: The official 2008.11 LiveCD has the tool on the default desktop as an icon. Richard Elling wrote: No need, it is a Java app and you can run it on multiple OSes. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp Its a little confusing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com writes: Motherboards don't matter. It is what is on the motherboard that matters. In your case, it looks like everything should work except the VIA SATA RAID controller. Fortunately, the IDE controller is supported, so you should be able to install it.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
I meant that the more layers you remove, the less layers there are that can tell ZFS something that's not true. I guess ZFS would still catch those errors in most cases - it would still be a pain to deal with needless errors. Also I like to do what the manual says, and the manual says avoid

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Blake wrote: I meant that the more layers you remove, the less layers there are that can tell ZFS something that's not true. I guess ZFS would still catch those errors in most cases - it would still be a pain to deal with needless errors. Also I like to do what the manual

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to storage. VMWare can give VMs direct access to the actual disks. This should avoid the overhead of using virtual disks. -B -- Brandon High : bh...@freaks.com

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to storage. VMWare can give VMs direct access to the actual disks. This should avoid the overhead of using virtual

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
Brandon makes a good point. I think that's an option to pursue if you don't want to risk messing up your Windows install. If you can, dedicate entire disks, rather that partitions, to ZFS. It's easier to manage. ZFS is managed by the VMs processor in this case, so you will take a bigger

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-26 Thread Blake
Harry, The LiveCD for OpenSolaris has a driver detection tool on it - this will let you see if your hardware is supported without touching the installed XP system. A big issue with running a VM is that ZFS prefers direct access to storage. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Harry Putnam

[zfs-discuss] Virutal zfs server vs hardware zfs server

2009-02-25 Thread Harry Putnam
I'm experimenting with a zfs home server. Running Opensol-11 by way of vmware on WinXP. It seems one way to avoid all the hardware problems one might run into trying to install opensol on available or spare hardware. Are there some bad gotchas about running opensol/zfs through vmware and never