Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-15 Thread Will Murnane
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:58, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I'm not sure where the 8 is coming from in your calculations. Bits per byte ;) In this case approximately 13/100 or around 1 in 8 odds. Taking into account the factor 8, and it's around 8 in 8. Another possible factor to

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-15 Thread Richard Elling
Will Murnane wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:58, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I'm not sure where the 8 is coming from in your calculations. Bits per byte ;) In this case approximately 13/100 or around 1 in 8 odds. Taking into account the factor 8, and it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-14 Thread Ross
Hey, I just had a D'oh! moment I'm afraid, woke up this morning realising my previous post about the chances of failure was completely wrong. You do need to multiply the chance of failure by the number of remaining disks, because you're reading the data of every one of them, and you risk

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-11 Thread Ross
Without checking your math, I believe you may be confusing the risk of *any* data corruption with the risk of a total drive failure, but I do agree that the calculation should just be for the data on the drive, not the whole array. My feeling on this from the various analyses I've read on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-11 Thread User Name
Hello relling, Thanks for your comments. FWIW, I am building an actual hardware array, so een though I _may_ put ZFS on top of the hardware arrays 22TB drive that the OS sees (I may not) I am focusing purely on the controller rebuild. So, setting aside ZFS for the moment, am I still correct

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-11 Thread Richard Elling
User Name wrote: Hello relling, Thanks for your comments. FWIW, I am building an actual hardware array, so een though I _may_ put ZFS on top of the hardware arrays 22TB drive that the OS sees (I may not) I am focusing purely on the controller rebuild. So, setting aside ZFS for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-11 Thread Akhilesh Mritunjai
Thanks for your comments. FWIW, I am building an actual hardware array, so een though I _may_ put ZFS on top of the hardware arrays 22TB drive that the OS sees (I may not) I am focusing purely on the controller rebuild. Not letting ZFS handle (at least one level of) redundancy is a bad

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-11 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Akhilesh Mritunjai wrote: Thanks for your comments. FWIW, I am building an actual hardware array, so een though I _may_ put ZFS on top of the hardware arrays 22TB drive that the OS sees (I may not) I am focusing purely on the controller rebuild. Not letting ZFS handle

[zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-10 Thread User Name
I am building a 14 disk raid 6 array with 1 TB seagate AS (non-enterprise) drives. So there will be 14 disks total, 2 of them will be parity, 12 TB space available. My drives have a BER of 10^14 I am quite scared by my calculations - it appears that if one drive fails, and I do a rebuild, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] please help with raid / failure / rebuild calculations

2008-07-10 Thread Richard Elling
User Name wrote: I am building a 14 disk raid 6 array with 1 TB seagate AS (non-enterprise) drives. So there will be 14 disks total, 2 of them will be parity, 12 TB space available. My drives have a BER of 10^14 I am quite scared by my calculations - it appears that if one drive fails,