Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
Fred, You can easier get them from our resellers. Our resellers are all around the world. Rocky From: Fred Liu [mailto:fred_...@issi.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:43 AM To: Khushil Dep Cc: Rocky Shek; Pasi Kärkkäinen; Philip Brown; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? Khushil, Thanks. Fred From: Khushil Dep [mailto:khushil@gmail.com] Sent: 星期一, 一月 31, 2011 17:37 To: Fred Liu Cc: Rocky Shek; Pasi Kärkkäinen; Philip Brown; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? You should also check out VA Technologies (http://www.va-technologies.com/servicesStorage.php) in the UK which supply a range of JBOD's. I've used this is very large deployments with no JBOD related failures to-date. Interestingly the laso list co-raid boxes. --- W. A. Khushil Dep - khushil@gmail.com - 07905374843 Windows - Linux - Solaris - ZFS - XenServer - FreeBSD - C/C++ - PHP/Perl - LAMP - Nexenta - Development - Consulting & Contracting http://www.khushil.com/ - http://www.facebook.com/GlobalOverlord On 31 January 2011 09:15, Fred Liu wrote: Rocky, Can individuals buy your products in the retail market? Thanks. Fred > -Original Message- > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Shek > Sent: 星期五, 一月 28, 2011 7:02 > To: 'Pasi Kärkkäinen' > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > Pasi, > > I have not tried the Opensolaris FMA yet. > > But we have developed a tool called DSM that allow users to locate disk > drive location, failed drive identification, FRU parts status. > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dsm-30-for-nexentastor.html > > We also spending time in past to sure SES chip work with major RAID > controller card. > > Rocky > > > -Original Message- > From: Pasi Kärkkäinen [mailto:pa...@iki.fi] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:30 PM > To: Rocky Shek > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:53:49AM -0800, Rocky Shek wrote: > > Philip, > > > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas- > sata-jbod > > -storage.html > > > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good > replacement > > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD > Storage and > > other form factor JBOD. > > > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60- > bay-6g-3 > > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > > > > Does (Open)Solaris FMA work with these DataON JBODs? > .. meaning do the failure LEDs work automatically in the case of disk > failure? > > I guess that requires the SES chip on the JBOD to include proper drive > identification for all slots. > > -- Pasi > > > > > Rocky > > > > -Original Message- > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip > Brown > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > > > So, another hardware question :) > > > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to > the > > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, > rather > > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that > I can > > see. > > > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its > EXP3500 > > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM > (SAS) > > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server > hardware > > :( > > > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD > hardware > > for ZFS these days? > > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > > -- > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > > ___ > > zfs-discuss mailing list > > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > > > ___
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
Khushil, Thanks. Fred From: Khushil Dep [mailto:khushil@gmail.com] Sent: 星期一, 一月 31, 2011 17:37 To: Fred Liu Cc: Rocky Shek; Pasi Kärkkäinen; Philip Brown; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? You should also check out VA Technologies (http://www.va-technologies.com/servicesStorage.php) in the UK which supply a range of JBOD's. I've used this is very large deployments with no JBOD related failures to-date. Interestingly the laso list co-raid boxes. --- W. A. Khushil Dep - khushil@gmail.com<mailto:khushil@gmail.com> - 07905374843 Windows - Linux - Solaris - ZFS - XenServer - FreeBSD - C/C++ - PHP/Perl - LAMP - Nexenta - Development - Consulting & Contracting http://www.khushil.com/ - http://www.facebook.com/GlobalOverlord On 31 January 2011 09:15, Fred Liu mailto:fred_...@issi.com>> wrote: Rocky, Can individuals buy your products in the retail market? Thanks. Fred > -Original Message- > From: > zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org<mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org> > [mailto:zfs-discuss-<mailto:zfs-discuss-> > boun...@opensolaris.org<mailto:boun...@opensolaris.org>] On Behalf Of Rocky > Shek > Sent: 星期五, 一月 28, 2011 7:02 > To: 'Pasi Kärkkäinen' > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org<mailto:zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org> > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > Pasi, > > I have not tried the Opensolaris FMA yet. > > But we have developed a tool called DSM that allow users to locate disk > drive location, failed drive identification, FRU parts status. > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dsm-30-for-nexentastor.html > > We also spending time in past to sure SES chip work with major RAID > controller card. > > Rocky > > > -Original Message- > From: Pasi Kärkkäinen [mailto:pa...@iki.fi<mailto:pa...@iki.fi>] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:30 PM > To: Rocky Shek > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org<mailto:zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org> > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:53:49AM -0800, Rocky Shek wrote: > > Philip, > > > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas- > sata-jbod > > -storage.html > > > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good > replacement > > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD > Storage and > > other form factor JBOD. > > > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60- > bay-6g-3 > > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > > > > Does (Open)Solaris FMA work with these DataON JBODs? > .. meaning do the failure LEDs work automatically in the case of disk > failure? > > I guess that requires the SES chip on the JBOD to include proper drive > identification for all slots. > > -- Pasi > > > > > Rocky > > > > -Original Message- > > From: > > zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org<mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org> > > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org<mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org>] > > On Behalf Of Philip > Brown > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org<mailto:zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org> > > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > > > So, another hardware question :) > > > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to > the > > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, > rather > > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that > I can > > see. > > > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its > EXP3500 > > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM > (SAS) > > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server > hardware > > :( > > > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD > hardware > > for ZFS these days? > > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > > -- > > This message posted from opensolaris.org<http://opensolaris.org> > > ___ > > zfs-discuss mailing list
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
You should also check out VA Technologies ( http://www.va-technologies.com/servicesStorage.php) in the UK which supply a range of JBOD's. I've used this is very large deployments with no JBOD related failures to-date. Interestingly the laso list co-raid boxes. --- W. A. Khushil Dep - khushil@gmail.com - 07905374843 Windows - Linux - Solaris - ZFS - XenServer - FreeBSD - C/C++ - PHP/Perl - LAMP - Nexenta - Development - Consulting & Contracting http://www.khushil.com/ - http://www.facebook.com/GlobalOverlord On 31 January 2011 09:15, Fred Liu wrote: > Rocky, > > Can individuals buy your products in the retail market? > > Thanks. > > Fred > > > -Original Message- > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Shek > > Sent: 星期五, 一月 28, 2011 7:02 > > To: 'Pasi Kärkkäinen' > > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > > > Pasi, > > > > I have not tried the Opensolaris FMA yet. > > > > But we have developed a tool called DSM that allow users to locate disk > > drive location, failed drive identification, FRU parts status. > > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dsm-30-for-nexentastor.html > > > > We also spending time in past to sure SES chip work with major RAID > > controller card. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pasi Kärkkäinen [mailto:pa...@iki.fi] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:30 PM > > To: Rocky Shek > > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:53:49AM -0800, Rocky Shek wrote: > > > Philip, > > > > > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > > > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas- > > sata-jbod > > > -storage.html > > > > > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good > > replacement > > > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > > > > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD > > Storage and > > > other form factor JBOD. > > > > > > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60- > > bay-6g-3 > > > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > > > > > > > Does (Open)Solaris FMA work with these DataON JBODs? > > .. meaning do the failure LEDs work automatically in the case of disk > > failure? > > > > I guess that requires the SES chip on the JBOD to include proper drive > > identification for all slots. > > > > -- Pasi > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > > > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip > > Brown > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > > > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > > > > > So, another hardware question :) > > > > > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to > > the > > > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, > > rather > > > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > > > > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > > > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that > > I can > > > see. > > > > > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its > > EXP3500 > > > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM > > (SAS) > > > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server > > hardware > > > :( > > > > > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD > > hardware > > > for ZFS these days? > > > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > > > -- > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > > > ___ > > > zfs-discuss mailing list > > > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > > > > > ___ > > > zfs-discuss mailing list > > > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > > > ___ > > zfs-discuss mailing list > > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
Rocky, Can individuals buy your products in the retail market? Thanks. Fred > -Original Message- > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Shek > Sent: 星期五, 一月 28, 2011 7:02 > To: 'Pasi Kärkkäinen' > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > Pasi, > > I have not tried the Opensolaris FMA yet. > > But we have developed a tool called DSM that allow users to locate disk > drive location, failed drive identification, FRU parts status. > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dsm-30-for-nexentastor.html > > We also spending time in past to sure SES chip work with major RAID > controller card. > > Rocky > > > -Original Message- > From: Pasi Kärkkäinen [mailto:pa...@iki.fi] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:30 PM > To: Rocky Shek > Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:53:49AM -0800, Rocky Shek wrote: > > Philip, > > > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas- > sata-jbod > > -storage.html > > > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good > replacement > > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD > Storage and > > other form factor JBOD. > > > > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60- > bay-6g-3 > > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > > > > Does (Open)Solaris FMA work with these DataON JBODs? > .. meaning do the failure LEDs work automatically in the case of disk > failure? > > I guess that requires the SES chip on the JBOD to include proper drive > identification for all slots. > > -- Pasi > > > > > Rocky > > > > -Original Message- > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip > Brown > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > > > So, another hardware question :) > > > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to > the > > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, > rather > > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that > I can > > see. > > > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its > EXP3500 > > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM > (SAS) > > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server > hardware > > :( > > > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD > hardware > > for ZFS these days? > > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > > -- > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > > ___ > > zfs-discuss mailing list > > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > > > ___ > > zfs-discuss mailing list > > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
Pasi, I have not tried the Opensolaris FMA yet. But we have developed a tool called DSM that allow users to locate disk drive location, failed drive identification, FRU parts status. http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dsm-30-for-nexentastor.html We also spending time in past to sure SES chip work with major RAID controller card. Rocky -Original Message- From: Pasi Kärkkäinen [mailto:pa...@iki.fi] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:30 PM To: Rocky Shek Cc: 'Philip Brown'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:53:49AM -0800, Rocky Shek wrote: > Philip, > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas-sata-jbod > -storage.html > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good replacement > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage and > other form factor JBOD. > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60-bay-6g-3 > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > Does (Open)Solaris FMA work with these DataON JBODs? .. meaning do the failure LEDs work automatically in the case of disk failure? I guess that requires the SES chip on the JBOD to include proper drive identification for all slots. -- Pasi > > Rocky > > -Original Message- > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip Brown > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can > see. > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware > :( > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Lasse Osterild wrote: >> On 01/26/11 09:50 AM, Lasse Osterild wrote: >> That's an odd comment. I've used a fair bit of SuperMicro kit over the >> years and I wouldn't describe any of it as "low-quality". > > Nothing odd about it - I've had three SC847E26-JBOD cases and they've all > been faulty in one way or another, looking closer at the circuit boards I see > bad soldering in a lot of places, components which have clearly been exposed > to too much heat during soldering. And SuperMicro being less than helpful & > competent in solving the issues. I think it depends on what you're used to. SuperMicro is great whitebox gear, and if you go through a VAR that assembles and tests it can be as reliable as anything else. It can be a huge hassle to handle RMA and parts if you're buying the gear from Provantage or Newegg though. For home use, I'd buy Supermicro, ASUS, etc. through Newegg, etc. and assemble it myself. For a small business, I'd buy HP or Dell, since they have great deals for SMB and decent support. For a small to medium business that can afford to have good sysadmins, I'd be fine with SuperMicro systems purchased through a VAR. This is probably the category that many people on this list fall into. Purchasing though a VAR adds to the cost, but you can often get same- or next-day turnaround. (Obligatory plug: A friend has had good luck purchasing through Silicon Mechanics and recommends them, especially if you're in the Seattle area.) For large enterprise shops, there is usually sufficient volume and negotiation that you're tied to a particular vendor. My current employer uses Netapp and in-house systems. Previous employers have been 100% HP, 100% Dell, or 100% Sun depending on the purchasing agreements in place, and I've found them to all be about the same. -B -- Brandon High : bh...@freaks.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On 25/01/2011, at 22.39, Ian Collins wrote: > On 01/26/11 09:50 AM, Lasse Osterild wrote: >> I'd go with some Dell MD1200's, for us they ended up being cheaper (incl >> disks) than a SuperMicro case with the same model disks, and it's way nicer >> than the low-quality SuperMicro stuff. > > That's an odd comment. I've used a fair bit of SuperMicro kit over the years > and I wouldn't describe any of it as "low-quality". > Nothing odd about it - I've had three SC847E26-JBOD cases and they've all been faulty in one way or another, looking closer at the circuit boards I see bad soldering in a lot of places, components which have clearly been exposed to too much heat during soldering. And SuperMicro being less than helpful & competent in solving the issues. I won't get into the whole controller / array incompatibility issues we've been through with SuperMicro (if you look at their HCL, only RAID controllers with internal SAS connectors are supported with the SC847E26-JBOD box, makes no sense) - Lasse ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Philip Brown wrote: > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 sources: LSI, Dell and Supermicro. LSI sells the 620J and 630J. I believe these are what Dell re-labels as the M1000. Supermicro makes server chassis and sells JBOD kits. There are many more, if you take time to look. -B -- Brandon High : bh...@freaks.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
Rocky, Does DataON manufacture these units or they LSI OEM? -marc Sent from my iPhone 416.414.6271 On 2011-01-25, at 2:53 PM, Rocky Shek wrote: > Philip, > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas-sata-jbod > -storage.html > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good replacement > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage and > other form factor JBOD. > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60-bay-6g-3 > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > > > Rocky > > -Original Message- > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip Brown > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can > see. > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware > :( > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Tue, Jan 25 at 21:28, Peter Tribble wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Lasse Osterild wrote: On 25/01/2011, at 19.04, Philip Brown wrote: Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware for ZFS these days? Either fibre or SAS would be okay. -- I'd go with some Dell MD1200's, for us they ended up being cheaper (incl disks) than a SuperMicro case with the same model disks, and it's way nicer than the low-quality SuperMicro stuff. It works perfectly fine with LSI 9200-8e SAS2 controllers under Solaris. The SuperMicro boxes won't do multi-pathing to the same LSI 9200-8e controller. As a matter of interest, what sort of system configurations are you building? Are you daisy-chaining JBOD units? I like the overall idea, but with direct attach and multi-pathing that's one HBA (and one slot Unless I'm wrong, I think you only need 2 adapters per stack of JBODs. With adapters A0 and A1, and JBODs J0 through J3, you get: A0 -> J0 -> J1 -> J2 -> J3 A1 -> J3 -> J2 -> J1 -> J0 Yes, all the above are daisy-chained, starting at a different side of the stack with each adapter. -- Eric D. Mudama edmud...@mail.bounceswoosh.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On 01/26/11 09:50 AM, Lasse Osterild wrote: I'd go with some Dell MD1200's, for us they ended up being cheaper (incl disks) than a SuperMicro case with the same model disks, and it's way nicer than the low-quality SuperMicro stuff. That's an odd comment. I've used a fair bit of SuperMicro kit over the years and I wouldn't describe any of it as "low-quality". -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:53:49AM -0800, Rocky Shek wrote: > Philip, > > You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas-sata-jbod > -storage.html > > It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good replacement > of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 > > There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage and > other form factor JBOD. > > http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60-bay-6g-3 > 5inch-sassata-jbod.html > Does (Open)Solaris FMA work with these DataON JBODs? .. meaning do the failure LEDs work automatically in the case of disk failure? I guess that requires the SES chip on the JBOD to include proper drive identification for all slots. -- Pasi > > Rocky > > -Original Message- > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip Brown > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? > > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can > see. > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware > :( > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Lasse Osterild wrote: > > On 25/01/2011, at 19.04, Philip Brown wrote: >> >> Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware >> for ZFS these days? >> Either fibre or SAS would be okay. >> -- > > I'd go with some Dell MD1200's, for us they ended up being cheaper (incl > disks) than a SuperMicro case with the same model disks, and it's way nicer > than the low-quality SuperMicro stuff. > It works perfectly fine with LSI 9200-8e SAS2 controllers under Solaris. > The SuperMicro boxes won't do multi-pathing to the same LSI 9200-8e > controller. As a matter of interest, what sort of system configurations are you building? Are you daisy-chaining JBOD units? I like the overall idea, but with direct attach and multi-pathing that's one HBA (and one slot in the server) for each MD1200, which chews up slots pretty quick. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On 25/01/2011, at 19.04, Philip Brown wrote: > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can > see. > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware :( > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. > -- I'd go with some Dell MD1200's, for us they ended up being cheaper (incl disks) than a SuperMicro case with the same model disks, and it's way nicer than the low-quality SuperMicro stuff. It works perfectly fine with LSI 9200-8e SAS2 controllers under Solaris. The SuperMicro boxes won't do multi-pathing to the same LSI 9200-8e controller. - Lasse ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
Philip, You can consider DataON DNS-1600 4U 24Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage. http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/dns-1600-4u-6g-sas-to-sas-sata-jbod -storage.html It is the best fit for ZFS Storage application. It can be a good replacement of Sun/Oracle J4400 and J4200 There are also Ultra density DNS-1660 4U 60 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD Storage and other form factor JBOD. http://dataonstorage.com/dataon-products/6g-sas-jbod/dns-1660-4u-60-bay-6g-3 5inch-sassata-jbod.html Rocky -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Philip Brown Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? So, another hardware question :) ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can see. IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware :( Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware for ZFS these days? Either fibre or SAS would be okay. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
tmcmah...@yahoo.com said: > Interesting. Did you switch to the load-balance option? Yes, I ended up with "load-balance=none". Here's a thread about it in the storage-discuss mailing list: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=130975&tstart=90 Regards, Marion ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On 1/25/2011 2:19 PM, Marion Hakanson wrote: The only special tuning I had to do was turn off round-robin load-balancing in the mpxio configuration. The Seagate drives were incredibly slow when running in round-robin mode, very speedy without. Interesting. Did you switch to the load-balance option? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
p...@bolthole.com said: > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? Either fibre or SAS would be okay. As others have said, it depends on your definition of "enterprise-grade". We're using Dell's MD1200 SAS JBOD's with Solaris-10 and ZFS. Ours have the Seagate 2TB "Nearline SAS" drives. The 3Gbit Sun SAS HBA, using mpt driver, works fine, although with a stream of harmless warning messages about "unknown event 10 received". The newer 6Gbit Sun/Oracle SAS HBA, using mpt_sas driver, works well without that issue. The only special tuning I had to do was turn off round-robin load-balancing in the mpxio configuration. The Seagate drives were incredibly slow when running in round-robin mode, very speedy without. Regards, Marion ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Philip Brown wrote: > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can > see. > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware :( > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. Define "enterprise-grade". :) Are you talking about price, performance, warranty, service, support, fancy name, etc? For example, SuperMicro has several rackmount chassis (2U, 4U, 5U) that can act as either storage servers (motherboard inside the case) or storage trays (no motherboard, extra drive bays, SAS connectors). Some consider those enterprise-grade (afterall, it's 6 Gbps SAS, multilaned, multipathed, but not multi-), some don't (it's not IBM/Oracle/HP/etc, oh noes!!). Chenbro also has similar setups to SuperMicro. Again, it's not "big-name storage company" nor "uber-expensive", but the technology is the same. Is that enterprise-grade? :D -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Philip Brown wrote: > So, another hardware question :) > > ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the > point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather > than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. > > Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( > Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can > see. > > IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 > "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) > controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware :( > > Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware > for ZFS these days? > Either fibre or SAS would be okay. Define "enterprise-grade". :) Are you talking about price, performance, warranty, service, support, fancy name, etc? For example, SuperMicro has several rackmount chassis (2U, 4U, 5U) that can act as either storage servers (motherboard inside the case) or storage trays (no motherboard, extra drive bays, SAS connectors). Some consider those enterprise-grade (afterall, it's 6 Gbps SAS, multilaned, multipathed, but not multi-), some don't (it's not IBM/Oracle/HP/etc, oh noes!!). Chenbro also has similar setups to SuperMicro. Again, it's not "big-name storage company" nor "uber-expensive", but the technology is the same. Is that enterprise-grade? :D -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?
So, another hardware question :) ZFS has been touted as taking maximal advantage of disk hardware, to the point where it can be used efficiently and cost-effectively on JBODs, rather than having to throw more expensive RAID arrays at it. Only trouble is.. JBODs seem to have disappeared :( Sun/Oracle has discontinued its j4000 line, with no replacement that I can see. IBM seems to have some nice looking hardware in the form of its EXP3500 "expansion trays"... but they only support it connected to an IBM (SAS) controller... which is only supported when plugged into IBM server hardware :( Any other suggestions for (large-)enterprise-grade, supported JBOD hardware for ZFS these days? Either fibre or SAS would be okay. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
