Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-10-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 16, 2011, at 3:56 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > 2011-09-29 17:15, Zaeem Arshad пишет: >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Garrett D'Amore >> wrote: >> >> >> I think he means, resilver faster. >> >> SSDs can be driven harder, and have more IOPs so we can hit them harder with >> less

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-10-16 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-09-29 17:15, Zaeem Arshad ?: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Garrett D'Amore mailto:garrett.dam...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think he means, resilver faster. SSDs can be driven harder, and have more IOPs so we can hit them harder with less impact on the overall performan

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-29 Thread Zaeem Arshad
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > > I think he means, resilver faster. > > SSDs can be driven harder, and have more IOPs so we can hit them harder > with less impact on the overall performance. The reason we throttle at all > is to avoid saturating the bandwidth of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-29 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] >> >> Also, the default settings for the resilver throttle are set for HDDs. For > SSDs, >> it is a >> good idea to change the throttle to be more aggressive. > > You mean... > Be mor

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > > Also, the default settings for the resilver throttle are set for HDDs. For SSDs, > it is a > good idea to change the throttle to be more aggressive. You mean... Be more aggressive, resilver faster? or Be more aggressive, throttling the

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-28 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Edward Ned Harvey >> So again: Not a problem if you're making your pool out of SSD's. > > Big problem if your system is already using most of the available IOPSduring > normal operation. Resilvers are thrott

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-27 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: The problem basically applies to HDD's. By creating your pool of SSD's, this problem should be eliminated. This is not completely true. SSDs will help significantly but they will still suffer from the synchronized commit of a transaction group.

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-27 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > When a vdev resilvers, it will read each slab of data, in essentially time > order, which is approximately random disk order, in order to reconstruct the > data that must be written on the resilvering device.  This creates two > problems,

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Matt Banks > > Am I crazy for putting something like this into production using Solaris 10/11? > On paper, it really seems ideal for our needs. Do you have an objection to solaris 10/11 for so

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-27 Thread Erik Trimble
On 9/27/2011 10:39 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Matt Banks wrote: Also, maybe I read it wrong, but why is it that (in the previous thread about hw raid and zpools) zpools with large numbers of physical drives (eg 20+) were frowned upon? I know that ZFS!=WAFL There is no co

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-27 Thread Paul Kraus
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Matt Banks wrote: > Also, maybe I read it wrong, but why is it that (in the previous thread about > hw raid and zpools) zpools with large numbers of physical drives (eg 20+) > were frowned upon? I know that ZFS!=WAFL but it's so common in the > NetApp world that I

Re: [zfs-discuss] All (pure) SSD pool rehash

2011-09-27 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Matt Banks wrote: Am I crazy for putting something like this into production using Solaris 10/11? On paper, it really seems ideal for our needs. As long as the drive firmware operates correctly, I don't see a problem. Also, maybe I read it wrong, but why is it that (in