Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-11 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 06:25:05PM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: ZIL makes zero impact on resilver. I'll have to check to see if L2ARC is still used, but due to the nature of the ARC design, read-once workloads like backup or resilver do not tend to negatively impact frequently used data.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-11 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 03:05:32PM +1100, Daniel Carosone wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 06:25:05PM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: ZIL makes zero impact on resilver. I'll have to check to see if L2ARC is still used, but due to the nature of the ARC design, read-once workloads like backup or

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-10 Thread Karl Wagner
On Sun, January 8, 2012 00:28, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I think that I would also be interested in a system which uses the so-called spare disks for more protective redundancy but then reduces that protective redundancy in order to use that disk to replace a failed disk or to automatically

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-08 Thread Jim Klimov
First of all, I would like to thank Bob, Richard and Tim for at least taking time to look at this proposal and responding ;) It is also encouraging to see that 2 of 3 responders consider this idea at least worth pondering and discussng, as it appeals to their direct interest. Even Richard was

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-08 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 06:59:57AM +0400, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-01-08 5:37, Richard Elling ??: The big question is whether they are worth the effort. Spares solve a serviceability problem and only impact availability in an indirect manner. For single-parity solutions, spares can

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-08 Thread Richard Elling
Note: more analysis of the GPFS implementations is needed, but that will take more time than I'll spend this evening :-) Quick hits below... On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, On Jan 6, 2012,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-08 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-01-09 6:25, Richard Elling wrote: Note: more analysis of the GPFS implementations is needed, but that will take more time than I'll spend this evening :-) Quick hits below... Good to hear you might look into it after all ;) but at the end of the day, if we've got a 12 hour rebuild

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012, Jim Klimov wrote: Several RAID systems have implemented spread spare drives in the sense that there is not an idling disk waiting to receive a burst of resilver data filling it up, but the capacity of the spare disk is spread among all drives in the array. As a result, the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-07 Thread Richard Elling
Hi Jim, On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, I have a new idea up for discussion. Several RAID systems have implemented spread spare drives in the sense that there is not an idling disk waiting to receive a burst of resilver data filling it up, but the capacity of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-07 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-01-08 5:37, Richard Elling пишет: The big question is whether they are worth the effort. Spares solve a serviceability problem and only impact availability in an indirect manner. For single-parity solutions, spares can make a big difference in MTTDL, but have almost no impact on MTTDL for

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spread-spares (kinda like GPFS declustered RAID)?

2012-01-07 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jim, On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, I have a new idea up for discussion. Several RAID systems have implemented spread spare drives in the sense that there is not an idling