[ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-28 Thread Gary Smith
I grant you your opinion on the CFR and those who belong to it, however I won't let you get by with equating a belief in the gospel with your belief in a secret combination. There is evidence for believing the gospel, such as the Holy Ghost. There is no solid evidence on any level for the CFR

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-27 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is a touching and, ironically, a from-the-heart answer. But where are the counter-arguments from the head? Gary Smith wrote: This is the problem with many liberal writers-they make statements from the heart, regardless of whether they back up their statements with facts, or if those

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-27 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Here's another example of where John and I would agree, although perhaps for different reasons. I don't think it has anything to do with George II's and Cheney's membership in any secret organization, but rather because Cheney is more powerful than the president and better connected (and more of a

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: there is more freedom in an American jail than on the streets of Moscow I've been on the web for over an hour trying to confirm this Cleaver quote, and I cannot find it. Do you have a reference? --JWR

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: Should cost only be counted in body bags? What is the total value of freedom from terror, or to maintain our sovereignty? Ten body bags? Twenty? One hundred? Or should we just curl up in a corner and accept the idea that no amount of body bags

[ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
From www.straighthoofd.com, a left-wing e-zine: (make of it what you will; I post it because it does make some good points despite its ideological assumptions) America armed with patriotism Dateline: Friday, October 11, 2002