[ZION] American Gnosticsm
I would rather say we are Orthodox Christians and that the other Christian religions are gnostics. ;-) There are two ways to look at it. Gnosis means hidden truth. We do hold hidden truth. However, the reality is that the ancient Gnostics were very apostate, and many of the beliefs of modern Christianity comes from Gnosticism (such as a god who resembled the Trinity, matter is evil and God as a Spirit). So my belief would more strongly consider us the orthodoxy, and all the others as the Gnostics K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Jerusalem Temple
I would add a slight twist to this. I think that other religions DO have saving truths (not ordinances), and they have the ability to bring people to a higher level of salvation. Now, the LDS Church is the only one with the fulness of salvation, or exaltation. If a Muslim, Jew or Hindu brings a person up to a terrestrial lifestyle from a telestial one, hasn't that person done the work of God? I think so. I believe a Jewish temple run on the Mosaic law by Levites would be acceptable to God on a terrestrial level (doesn't John the Baptist tell JS and Oliver Cowdery that the Aaronic Priesthood would be with them until the sons of Levi offer up a sacrifice in righteousness? It could apply.). The time would eventually come when they would receive the higher priesthood, and the Jerusalem temple would be converted to perform the higher ordinances of exaltation. As we speak, the Jews are gathering the stones to rebuild the temple, they have a red heifer, etc. We don't use red heifers in our endowment, last I looked. Clearly, they are looking at performing rituals according to their level of understanding. And if the LDS Church can help the Hindus build a temple, why can't we help the Jews build theirs? K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe JWR: I would like to bear a second witness to what Paul has said here. There is truth in other faiths. I agree that other faiths have some truth. In some cases a lot of truth. But there are no _saving_ truths or ordinances in that practicing those religions will ultimately end in the followers being damned. John W. Redelfs Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Fw: James' ossuary BAR article
I've just finished reading the BAR article on the ossuary of James. Here's the scoop: The ossuary belongs to a private collector, who obtained it on the black market about 15 years ago. He recently asked Andre Lemaire, a reknowned philologist who specializes in Aramaic to look at it. The inscription, James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus is about 7.5 inches long and 1/3 inch high. Jews in Jerusalem only used ossuaries for about a century, from ca 20BC to 70AD (with the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome), so all evidence must fit that timeframe, plus the region of Jerusalem. The style of Aramaic fits the first century AD. A geological survey of the ossuary shows that it is made of chalk (limestone) from quarries belonging to the Menuha Formation of Mount Scopus group, near Jerusalem. Limestone was quarried from this region in the first century AD, and was a primary source for ossuaries of the time period. The patina and stone were checked under scanning electron microscope among other tools. They ascertained that the patina was firmly connected to the stone, and was in a cauliflower shape, normally found in caves. The dirt on its underside, as well as the chalk ossuary itself, all come from the Mount Scopus Group. All three names, James (actually Jacob in Hebrew/Aramaic), Joseph and Jesus (Yeshua or Joshua) were popular during the timeframe. Statistically taking info from all 233 ossuaries from the time and place, about 1/4 of one percent (.28 percent) of the male population were either James/Jacob son of Joseph or Joseph son of James/Jacob. This means about 0.14 percent were James/Jacob son of Joseph (1/8 of one percent). Jerusalem is believed to have had at most, 80,000 people with probably half as men. They assume in the article, each male had two brothers, meaning that 18 percent of the James son of Joseph would have a brother Jesus. Over the 2 generations there is a 0.05 percent of the population being names Jacob son of Joseph brother of Jesus. If I remember correctly from my sadistics class years ago, that means it is statistically significant, or very big odds that there were more than 20 men named James/Jacob son of Joseph, brother of Jesus during the two generations. Of course, then we have no idea how many of them would have been buried in an ossuary, or how many would have been inscribed. Next, there is only one other Aramaic ossuary with a brother's name on it. So it is a very rare thing. Obviously, the brother must be someone well known, and which Jesus is more well-known than the Christ? A side note they have: the inscription was shown to Father Joseph Fitzmeyer, one of the world's leading experts in first century Aramaic. He questioned the spelling of the word brother. It didn't seem standard. On the ossuary, it is spelled, aleph, het, waw, yod. In Hebrew it is spelled aleph het. Only after several hundreds of years would this spelling form appear in Aramaic, and then it would be plural. However, Father Fitzmeyer did some research and found this spelling in the Genesis Apocryphon and on another ossuary where the person was identified as someone's brother. I stand corrected, said Father Fitzmeyer. The article states that a forger would have used the standard spelling of 'brother' rather than try a different and rarer form. Either the forger knew first century Aramaic better than Father Fitzmeyer, or it is an authentic inscription. As I read this, it reminded me of the arguments we often use on the BoM. For example, the name Alma was derided as being a Spanish word for 'soul' and a woman's name. Only with the Bar Kosiba letters was Alma discovered to be an authentic man's name. Using this same logic then, Either Joseph Smith was a brilliant forger who knew more about early Hebrew names than the experts, or it is authentic. And although not 100 percent known whether it is James the Just's ossuary, there is a greater than 99.9% chance that it is his. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] What is patriotism?
I grant you your opinion on the CFR and those who belong to it, however I won't let you get by with equating a belief in the gospel with your belief in a secret combination. There is evidence for believing the gospel, such as the Holy Ghost. There is no solid evidence on any level for the CFR charges. Your statement is akin to saying that although I can't prove evolution to be true, it just must be because I personally just feel that the GAs agree with me. Empty statements with key points we agree upon does not equate to evidence. In the future, just state your opinion without dragging the gospel into it. Okay? K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe JWR: Cheney is a CFR insider. That is bd. Not only that he ranks George W. He is a whole generation older. If there were a serious disagreement between Bush and Cheney, Bush Sr. would reign in George W. because of Cheney's rank in the secret combination. Of course, I can't prove any of this. But then I know a lot of things that I cannot prove. The gospel is one of them. John W. Redelfs Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] James Ossuray coming to N. America
The IAA (Israeli Antiquities Authority) gave a temporary export permit for the James ossuary to be exhibited at the Royal Ontario Museum (Toronto) before they realized what exactly it was they were allowing out of the country. But it looks like it's definitely on its way here (I told you Hershel Shanks was a heckuva wheeler-dealer!) http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021028/wjesus1028/Front/homeBN/breakingnews -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] The veil
The symbolism of the veil is used several times in our gospel teachings, and in some different ways. They all seem to have one thing in common: The veil separates us from God. Usually that is good, or at least necessary; in one case, it is not. In the teachings of the gospel, I see at least five separate usages of the term veil: 1. The veil of forgetfulness is a God-given gift or feature of our second estate, preventing us from remembering our premortal life and thus requiring us to walk by faith. 2. The veil is often used in Mormon-speak in reference to death, such that those on the other side of the veil are the dead who await us in the spirit world. More generally, it is used to allude to a spiritual world (not always The Spirit World), as when I heard someone say, The veil is very thin at the birth of a child. I assume this usage of veil is somehow related to #1, though the exact relationship is not clear to me. 3. One of two physical usages of veil is, of course, the veil of the temple. In this sense, passing through the veil does not mean death, or even resurrection, but rather is a symbol of our gaining eternal life and entering the Lord's presence in his celestial kingdom. This may also be related to #1 above, though again I'm not sure exactly what the relationship is. 4. The other physical veil is worn by the sisters and used at certain, very specific points when doing temple work. In light of the above usages of veil, I find this fascinating. I would welcome discussion on this, except for two things: 1. I am not sure how effectively we could discuss its symbolism without violating sacred temple teachings and performances, or at the least making some on this list uncomfortable with the discussion; and, 2. I fear speculation or even informed discussion -- if informed discussion is even possible on this topic -- might offend some of the sisters here, and perhaps some of the brethren, as well. But I mention it for your consideration and for the sake of completeness. Make of it what you will. 5. Moses 7:26 mentions Satan veiling the earth with his chain, symbolizing (I believe) the captivity of sin and the blindness Satan causes in the hearts of men. Isaiah 25:7 also uses this symbolism. Just some musings during the gospel doctrine discussion yesterday. Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Wadiasayacott, Maine
Someone here, Paul O., I think, said we should trust that George III has more intelligence (I won't make any puns) than the rest of us and we should just trust him when it comes to lambasting Iraq. But then George and his father are both fishermen. Let's not be so hasty. Both have told some whoppers when it suited their purposes... http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021028/COMACA/Comment/comment/comment_temp/1/1/1/ -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Jerusalem Temple
When I was a kid, during the summer holidays we'd go to my paternal grandparents in east central Saskatchewan, or on very rare occasions, to my maternal grandmother's on Seal Island, a 3.5 hour ride by lobster boat (Cape Islander) through the Gulf Stream/Bay of Fundy tidal bore [no seasick wanted on the voyage] from Clark's Harbour, Nova Scotia. In the latter case there was an abandoned church which my brother or I would hold a brief Sacrament service in. At first we would just hold it, but later wrote to the MP in Halifax to ask for the proper keys, which we always got. In Saskatchewan, however, at that time there were no nearby branches (there are now, but this was then). We'd go to the little village German Lutheran church which sat about 50 people, the church where I was christened and where my aunt was the organist. I felt the Spirit there just as much, because I prepared myself, and read scriptures. And I partook of the eucharist, although I did not feel it was of official benefit. Likewise on the half dozen or so occasions I've been to Catholic mass, either on my mission in Bavaria, or with an Irish Catholic girlfriend I had in high school in California. Interesting: her comment about our chapel was that it was like attending church in someone's living room. ;-) I'd be honoured to join Muslim friends at Friday prayer, and always avoid eating and drinking in front of observant Muslims during Ramadan (although I feel perfectly free to eat when they're not around). In fact, ironically, one of the most powerful business clans in Edmonton is an Ismaili South Asian clan. Ismailis are an offshoot of Shi'ism and settled in East Africa. Idi Amin kicked them out of Uganda (thereby depriving his country of their entire middle class at one shot, proving that evil and stupidity are separated at times by a fine line), and most of them came to Canada, as did the lady I deal with most of the time, who's roughly my age, so doesn't have much memory of Uganda. They own one of the nicest restaurants in town, called Khazana's (Mark -- do you know where Audrey's Books is? On 108th? Go about a block north, and on the eastern side is the restaurant -- it's the only Edmonton restaurant ever to get a 5-star review in the National Post). Once she took a colleague and me to lunch for Christmas, and her younger nephew, and the president of the holding company [Mark will by now almost certainly have figured out which computer support services company I'm talking about now -- they're in the ING building not that far from you guys], and they both had coffee and a bit of wine, plus a small bit of fhool in pita bread. I greeted them with Eid Mubarak, as it was near the end of Ramadan, and they both blushed in embarrassment. The one who knew me better said, well, as you can see, we're not observing Muslims, but I put them at their ease by reminding them that the Qu'ran said that the restrictions of Ramadan were lifted for those who were travelling on Hajj or on business. They were very impressed with both the tact of my comment and my knowledge of the Qu'ran. They know both my boss and I are LDS. Mark, if I had a nice story to tell about *your* boss, I would. :-/ (but he's very generous, devoted to his home town and he and his wife have made all of you guys feelthy reech). Gary Smith wrote: I would add a slight twist to this. I think that other religions DO have saving truths (not ordinances), and they have the ability to bring people -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] What was the gas the Russians used?
Here's the latest speculation from a better-informed source than I (Jane's Defence Weekly), on what gas was used to knock out the Chechen terrorists, but which, alas, overdid it and caused extensive collateral damage. I thought Putin looked strained and sincere when he asked the Russian people, please forgive us: As Russians remain quiet, certain candidates emerge as the gas used to break Moscow hostage crisis By John Eldridge, Editor, Jane's Nuclear, Biological Chemical Defence The Russians remain reluctant to identify the gas that was used at dawn on 26 October to overcome around 50 Chechen rebels who had taken several hundred people hostage in a Moscow theatre on 23 October. This has presented an enduring challenge to the medical services at Moscow hospitals in providing the right type of care. It is not clear from the reports emerging from Moscow whether the hostage casualty and death toll discrepancies (from some 75 originally announced by a Russian minister to over 108 at 21.00hrs on 27 October) are due to the after-effects of the gas, to trauma injury or simply due to early miscounting in the aftermath. In order to achieve surprise, the Russian special forces would have needed three features of a chemical agent (a gas). The first two would be vital; the third highly desirable. The agent would need to be extremely quick-acting and invisible; otherwise some of the terrorists would have been able to see it, avoid it and detonate their explosives. Also, injury caused to the hostages would need to be temporary if the authorities were not to be accused of taking unnecessary risks. Assuming a considered reaction to the crisis, there are two possibilities. Firstly, the agent used may have been something completely new or a new combination of existing agents. This would be one explanation for the PR clamp-down and its identity would be unlikely ever to be revealed. Only the long-term victim effects would identify it over time. Secondly, the agent used could be something old but effective, such as a riot-control agent. However, there are older types of agent that have in the past been used both for riot control and for training but are now no longer used because of their toxicity. Included among these is Adamasite (agent DM). It is very quick acting and causes intense flu-like symptoms in the victim and, at high concentrations, severe respiratory distress, nausea and vomiting. In other words, most of those affected with high concentrations would have been removed by stretcher. The symptoms are likely to disappear within an hour or so, according to most sources, but in susceptible victims the effects may be more severe, requiring hospitalisation. Adamasite is thus a likely candidate for the mystery sleeping gas, although the hostage death toll from the event is unusually high. Even though DM is lethal in extremely high concentrations, a huge quantity would have been required to deliver this level of death and injury. However, it is by no means impossible that sarin or another nerve agent was used alone or in combination with other types of agent. The two-fold imperative of achieving complete surprise and instant incapacitation would have been the top Russian priority. A nerve agent constituent to the sleeping gas may have been the reluctant choice to achieve this aim. non-subscriber excerpt from the entire article; alas, I cannot afford the £600 annual subscription to Defence Weekly! -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Jerusalem Temple
restaurants in town, called Khazana's (Mark -- do you know where Audrey's Books is? On 108th? Go about a block north, and on the eastern side is the restaurant Normally I would be able to see it just by turning my chair around because I'm on the 19th floor facing west. I'm only three blocks away (that's 107th street, by the way, Marc.) However, today I cannot see it because of the falling snow. Some waggish folks on this list might question my use of normally, but we the living know better. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Jerusalem Temple
107th, 108th. Whatever. It's right across the street from Alberta College, at any rate -- sounds like you know the one I'm talking about in any case. Mark Gregson wrote: restaurants in town, called Khazana's (Mark -- do you know where Audrey's Books is? On 108th? Go about a block north, and on the eastern side is the restaurant Normally I would be able to see it just by turning my chair around because I'm on the 19th floor facing west. I'm only three blocks away (that's 107th street, by the way, Marc.) However, today I cannot see it because of the falling snow. Some waggish folks on this list might question my use of normally, but we the living know better. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] Jerusalem Temple
-Marc- 107th, 108th. Whatever. 220, 221. Whatever it takes. Mr. Mom / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Wadiasayacott, Maine
And http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61903-2002Oct21.html Clifford M Dubery - Original Message - From: Marc A. Schindler Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:56 To: zion-l Subject: [ZION] Wadiasayacott, Maine Someone here, Paul O., I think, said we should trust that George III has more intelligence (I won't make any puns) than the rest of us and we should just trust him when it comes to lambasting Iraq. But then George and his father are both fishermen. Let's not be so hasty. Both have told some whoppers when it suited their purposes... http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021028/COMACA/Comment/comment/comment_temp/1/1/1/ -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated…To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise one’s unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action.” – Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in “The Peloponessian Wars” Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author’s employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / REE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
