Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
Fwiw, I asked John Pratt (Astronomer and ancient calender expert) about Mars' current brightness and its significance and here is his reply: Mars will be bright but it is almost that bright every two years. That is, it is only slightly closer than usual when it is opposite from the sun. I don't

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 12:10 PM 7/31/2003, you wrote: At 11:06 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote: Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe wrote: If miracles do not aid in the further and ongoing development of an immature faith (and immature is the best that any of us can have in this life) then why do we use the term "faith promoting experiences?" Well, I personally don't use the term. But if I were to do so, I woul

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread George Cobabe
Whoops, I meant faith not miracles. George - Original Message - From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars > That is true, although I was speaking of FAITH, not signs. > > If miracles do not aid in t

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:06 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote: Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just befor

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread George Cobabe
That is true, although I was speaking of FAITH, not signs. If miracles do not aid in the further and ongoing development of an immature faith (and immature is the best that any of us can have in this life) then why do we use the term "faith promoting experiences?" George - Original Message -

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread John W. Redelfs
Steven Montgomery wrote: Even more impressive when you live at 5800 feet altitude in a relatively rural area . Here in Enoch the night sky never ceases to amaze me. While here in Ketchikan, Alaska, where it rains an average of 165 inches per year, astronomy is not a popular pastime. There are ve

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote: Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just before you posted this original, and it was p

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:59 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 05:24 AM 7/31/2003, you wrote: At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the gre

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 05:24 AM 7/31/2003, you wrote: At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ (The Planet Ve

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 11:36 PM 7/30/2003, you wrote: George Cobabe wrote: Quite frankly I think that you finding it interesting is interesting to me. What do I mean? If this event has meaning to you then it is good. I believe that the best definition of a miracle is something that produces faith. Miracles do no

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ (The Planet Venus) for supremacy. Mars rules the

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread George Cobabe
That is true only in a static situation. We live in a ongoing, live world where both happen all of the time. If you cannot see where faith is magnified by special happenings then you are missing a great deal. If you would like me to change my comments to say that I beleive a miracle is a happeni