Re: [ZION] working woman
I already said on previous posts that I found telemarketing probably as low as prostitution or close to it. My opinion has not changed. Stacy. At 12:49 AM 09/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: With all the people who are signing up on the do not call me lists, there will be far fewer telemarketing jobs. However, there will still be some. One of the people I home taught was severely disabled and legally blind. He did telemarketing occasionally. I found the companies he worked for to be, in general, of low integrity. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman Stacy Smith wrote: I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no laughing matter for me and has caused me much depression. Seeing I have no children, employment outside the home should not have been a problem for me. A number of years ago I was a telephone salesman, selling magazine advertising over the telephone. I got really good at it after weeks of failure. I'll bet a blind person could do it better than a sighted person because they would be more sensitive to the subtle nuances in the voice of both themselves and their prospective customers. Of course some people don't like that kind of work. Come to think of it, some people don't like any kind of work. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:53 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer. As a problem solving strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine problems. Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as personal counselors. After ten years of crying on bishop's shoulders I have changed my thinking. It isn't fair for me to unburden my problems on them. I've tried harder to share my confidences with the Lord, and keep my personal problems to myself. I can imagine the numerous bishops I've dumped my sad story on over the last decade, cringing mentally every time they think about me. Oh, that poor miserable Brother Cobabe. I hope he doesn't come to me for sympathy again. Jim, My observations are that bishops are selected from a pool of men who can administer and who have been successful in the ways of the world. I would be delighted to see men selected from a pool of men who can minister without regard to administering skills which could be left to the counselors. prophet Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:32:53 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not offering the least criticism to women who work out of necessity. Good. Let's keep it that way. No one made you the judge. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman
Paul Osborne wrote: I'm just expressing my view when white collar men grumble out of their lips against the woes of blue collar men and how they can supposedly fix their low income problems. The fact is, many white collar men are ignorant and lack real experience when it comes to blue collar money woes as they sit in the ivory tower of plenty. = Grampa Bill comments: I think part of our problem in coming to a consensus is that we are tending toward dividing all jobs into white collar or blue collar without acknowledging that there are broad gradations within each. For several years I refused to accept a twenty percent pay raise and be put into a salaried slot. Fact is, I was making better than thirty percent above base in my blue collar when my OT was calculated in. The white collar position would have amounted to a pay cut. The military comes to mind. They make a broad distinction between the blue collar enlisted men and the white collar officers. Yet a twenty year Command Sergeant Major certainly makes more money and probably has more prestige than a shave-tail Second Lieutenant fresh out of OCS. I believe we err when we paint the picture with too broad a brush. Both the white collar and the blue collar positions contain men who are put upon and treated unfairly, and both have men who are not worth a fourth what they are actually compensated. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman
Paul Osborne wrote: --- No one made you the judge. --- It would be pleasant to believe this. I could suspend all my struggles at discernment and tell myself, Not to worry, you're not the judge. Let someone else decide what is right and wrong. However easy that might be, it is not the gospel... For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night. (Moroni 7:15) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Private from Redelfs
John, your not-so-private (:-)) charitable response is gratifying. My commentary was simply a point of discussion in which I hold an abiding interest. Always fascinating to hear what others think. No need to stir up bad feelings. I only hope to perhaps stimulate some new thoughts along these lines. I certainly do not presume to preach new doctrine or judge anyone else's life choices. How could I be so bold, when my own path has proven to be so treacherous? The road is difficult and every step is a struggle. I judge that this is the way the Lord intended for it to be with us. Let us press on in all faith and diligence--I am confident that we will not be disappointed with the end. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman
Amen, Jim.
It is too often that people, even members that ought to know better forget
this basic truth. We are told not to judge unfairly or unwisely. We are
never told NOT to judge, for as you suggest it is an essential part of the
gospel of Jesus Christ.
George
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From: Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman
Paul Osborne wrote:
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No one made you the judge.
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It would be pleasant to believe this. I could suspend all my struggles
at discernment and tell myself, Not to worry, you're not the judge.
Let someone else decide what is right and wrong.
However easy that might be, it is not the gospel...
For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may
know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know
with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
(Moroni 7:15)
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