Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Marc A. Schindler]

You can also see Alpha Centauri only from the southern regions, a multiple star
system which includes Proxima Centauri, the closest star to our solar system. I
remember feeling very out of place the very first time I went to the southern
hemisphere. It was a trip to South America, and I got very confused walking around
downtown Santiago until I remembered that there the sun crosses the *north* side
of the sky. And the first time I ever saw a really clear view of the stars was
from Pretoria, South Africa. I had heard of these constellations, but had never
seen them in person. I kind of felt like I was on another planet.

Gary Smith wrote:

> One of the neatest meteors I've ever seen was in 1985 in Korea. I was
> guarding my post, watching the sky to ensure no one was parachuting in
> from the north, I saw a meteor streak across the sky, break into two,
> then watched the twin meteors in parallel zip across the sky for another
> several moments.
>
> Of course, the neatest thing in the sky is the Southern Cross. And when
> you see the Southern Cross for the first time, you finally know just why
> you came this way
>
> I'm convinced there are more stars in the southern hemisphere, and the
> moon is bigger and brighter there, too.
>
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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Marc A. Schindler]

We have an update on our meteor. My wife called the U of A astronomy contact whose
name was in the local paper (he had asked for anyone who had seen it to call him,
to help in triangulation). Together with eye witness accounts and triangulation
from the U of A observatory, and a smaller observatory further north at Athabasca
University, it's now been determined that it landed somewhere between Athabasca
and Fort McMurray, which is very remote boreal forest and muskeg. It'll probably
never be found, but it has been speculated that it was actually the remains of a
satellite whose orbit had decayed. Cathy thought it looked very close, but of
course, the northern lights look close at times, too -- it's hard to get a proper
perspective with the naked eye alone. She was especially taken with its beautiful
"glowing light emerald colour," as she put it.

Ronn Blankenship wrote:

> At 10:30 PM 12/1/02 -0600, Gary Smith wrote:
> >One of the neatest meteors I've ever seen was in 1985 in Korea. I was
> >guarding my post, watching the sky to ensure no one was parachuting in
> >from the north, I saw a meteor streak across the sky, break into two,
> >then watched the twin meteors in parallel zip across the sky for another
> >several moments.
> >
> >Of course, the neatest thing in the sky is the Southern Cross. And when
> >you see the Southern Cross for the first time, you finally know just why
> >you came this way
>
> Because that's what your orders said?
>
> (What?  You thought I was going to identify the song?)
>
> >I'm convinced there are more stars in the southern hemisphere,
>
> Well, you do have a better view of the center of our Galaxy, and the
> Magellanic clouds are close enough to resolve individual stars with a
> ground-based telescope (which is why we had observations of Sanduleak
> -69°202 before it went blooey in 1987 (minus however many years it took the
> light to reach here)) . . .
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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Ronn Blankenship]

At 10:30 PM 12/1/02 -0600, Gary Smith wrote:

One of the neatest meteors I've ever seen was in 1985 in Korea. I was
guarding my post, watching the sky to ensure no one was parachuting in
from the north, I saw a meteor streak across the sky, break into two,
then watched the twin meteors in parallel zip across the sky for another
several moments.

Of course, the neatest thing in the sky is the Southern Cross. And when
you see the Southern Cross for the first time, you finally know just why
you came this way




Because that's what your orders said?



(What?  You thought I was going to identify the song?)




I'm convinced there are more stars in the southern hemisphere,




Well, you do have a better view of the center of our Galaxy, and the 
Magellanic clouds are close enough to resolve individual stars with a 
ground-based telescope (which is why we had observations of Sanduleak 
-69°202 before it went blooey in 1987 (minus however many years it took the 
light to reach here)) . . .



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[ZION] Celestial show

[Gary Smith]

One of the neatest meteors I've ever seen was in 1985 in Korea. I was
guarding my post, watching the sky to ensure no one was parachuting in
from the north, I saw a meteor streak across the sky, break into two,
then watched the twin meteors in parallel zip across the sky for another
several moments.

Of course, the neatest thing in the sky is the Southern Cross. And when
you see the Southern Cross for the first time, you finally know just why
you came this way

I'm convinced there are more stars in the southern hemisphere, and the
moon is bigger and brighter there, too.

K'aya K'ama,
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[ZION] Celestial Show

[Gary Smith]

Are you sure this meteor wasn't just John Redelfs trying to get across
Canada prior to being caught with an expired driving insurance and pass?

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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Marc A. Schindler]

I don't know for sure, as I don't watch Fox News, but she was rate [that's how
they pronounce "right"] some impressed, as my Nova Scotia relatives would say.
Also, she corrected my earlier post. She said she saw it in the west, going from
south to north, and it was early Wednesday morning while she was delivering our
morning tabloid to the businesses in Spruce Grove (she knows more Mounties than
anyone else in the world, as the local Tim Horton's (cf. your Dunkin' Donuts) is
one of her clients and they are open 24 hours a day).

Jon Spencer wrote:

> Is this the meteor I saw on Fox News?  I was just walking through the room
> and didn't hear the commentary.  If so, it was HUGE!
>
> Jon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Celestial show
>
> She was *very* excited. She said it almost hurt to look at it.
>
> Steven Montgomery wrote:
>
> > Cool. 7 seconds is a long time for a meteor to streak across the sky. Must
> > have been spectacular.
> >
> > --
> > Steven Montgomery
> >
> > At 06:04 PM 11/29/2002, you wrote:
> > >Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
> > >life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
> > >streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
> > >think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.
> > >
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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Jon Spencer]

Is this the meteor I saw on Fox News?  I was just walking through the room
and didn't hear the commentary.  If so, it was HUGE!

Jon

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She was *very* excited. She said it almost hurt to look at it.

Steven Montgomery wrote:

> Cool. 7 seconds is a long time for a meteor to streak across the sky. Must
> have been spectacular.
>
> --
> Steven Montgomery
>
> At 06:04 PM 11/29/2002, you wrote:
> >Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
> >life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
> >streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
> >think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.
> >
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> >Marc A. Schindler
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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Marc A. Schindler]

Wow -- thanks! I'm going to print this out for my wife. Not the least because she'll
be able to say she wasn't exaggerating when she said it lasted for about 7 seconds.

Ronn Blankenship wrote:

> At 06:04 PM 11/29/02 -0700, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
> >Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
> >life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
> >streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
> >think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.
>
> From: NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> <>
>
> Scientists use video in search for rare meteorite
> By Phoebe Dey
> University of Alberta, Canada
> November 28, 2002
>
> A University of Alberta astronomy camera captured a
> photograph of a blazing fireball, which may provide clues to finding a rare
> meteorite.
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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

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At 06:04 PM 11/29/02 -0700, Marc A. Schindler wrote:

Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.




From: NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

<>

Scientists use video in search for rare meteorite
By Phoebe Dey
University of Alberta, Canada
November 28, 2002

A University of Alberta astronomy camera captured a
photograph of a blazing fireball, which may provide clues to finding a rare
meteorite.

"If we could find the remains of the meteorite, it would be quite
significant, not simply because it's another meteorite but because we would
have the potential for determining its trajectory before it struck the
earth," said U of A physics professor, Dr. Doug Hube. "We might be able to
learn where in the solar system it came from."

The camera on the rooftop observatory on the U of A physics building
captured the image moving from the southwest horizon to the northwest for
about seven seconds at 5:10 a.m. early Wednesday morning. Hube and Martin
Connors from Athabasca University are analysing the tape and using
eyewitness reports to do a geometric triangulation, which will determine a
more specific area to find the meteorite.

Videotape from the U of A's cameras is considered the final authority. The
cameras record images of the sky 24 hours a day. About once a year, the
cameras capture something worth following up, Hube said. The camera is
mounted above a hemispherical mirror, which allows researchers to monitor
the entire sky at one time.

If this latest meteorite can be found, it will offer insight to its
celestial beginnings and teach us more about the larger environment we live
in.

"Meteorites are the building blocks of the planets," Hube said. "They can
give us clues about circumstances in this corner of the universe 4.5 billion
years ago. Understanding them gives us a broader picture to understand the
formation of the solar system, to understand the formation of planets."

The University of Alberta's Earth and Atmospheric Sciences department boasts
a meteorite collection second only to the national one in Ottawa. It is
comprised of more than 130 different meteorites--13 of which were found in
Alberta. Only 50 meteorites have been found in Canada.




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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Marc A. Schindler]

Oh, I should have added another story to this. The time I proposed to my wife there was
a big shooting star, too. We were in Heber Canyon State Park, I think it's called. Up
beyond Y Mountain anyway. It was a branch activity (marshmallow roast) and we went for
a romantic little walk together away from the others. I faced east towards her, took
her hand and said I had a very important question to ask her. Just as I was about to
pop the question, a meteorite tore across the eastern sky, just above the rim of the
mountains,  from north to south, broke up into 3 pieces, and then, after a second,
disappeared. It was only about 3 or 4 secs but that was the biggest shooting star I'd
ever seen (still is). I tried to get her to turn around and look, but she just didn't
react fast enough. I then joked, "well, I was going to ask you to marry me, and it
looks like Heaven's on my side, telling me to hurry up and pop the question..."

We had a biggie up in the Yukon, from about Sitka, AK to Carcross YT, iirc, about 2
years ago, and they actually found at least part of the thing, sitting in a small melt
"gouge out" in Carcross Lake, which freezes to about 3 metres down in winter.
Astronomers from the U of A, and half the farmers around Drayton Valley are out combing
the area for this one.

I figure if my wife is right (and she's not prone to exaggerate), then 7 seconds must
mean it was awfully close to us*, and as I say, Drayton Valley isn't that far away
(there's a branch there that is part of one of our local stakes).

*if you think about it, it means that it was coming at least partly towards her if the
glowing lasted that long. If it stays in one place for more than 5 seconds, my
considered opinion would be RUN LIKE THE DICKENS!

"Marc A. Schindler" wrote:

> She was *very* excited. She said it almost hurt to look at it.
>
> Steven Montgomery wrote:
>
> > Cool. 7 seconds is a long time for a meteor to streak across the sky. Must
> > have been spectacular.
> >
> > --
> > Steven Montgomery
> >
> > At 06:04 PM 11/29/2002, you wrote:
> > >Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
> > >life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
> > >streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
> > >think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.
> > >
> > >--
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She was *very* excited. She said it almost hurt to look at it.

Steven Montgomery wrote:

> Cool. 7 seconds is a long time for a meteor to streak across the sky. Must
> have been spectacular.
>
> --
> Steven Montgomery
>
> At 06:04 PM 11/29/2002, you wrote:
> >Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
> >life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
> >streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
> >think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.
> >
> >--
> >Marc A. Schindler
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Re: [ZION] Celestial show

[Steven Montgomery]

Cool. 7 seconds is a long time for a meteor to streak across the sky. Must 
have been spectacular.

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At 06:04 PM 11/29/2002, you wrote:
Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.

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[ZION] Celestial show

[Marc A. Schindler]

Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her
life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7 seconds
streaked from east to west across the southern sky. Local scientists
think it hit the surface near Drayton Valley, some 50 km SW of us.

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Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

“Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he
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