Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Paul Osborne
>In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase >"free agency," but rather use "moral agency." What the >reason is, I do not know. Sound like this is political correct stuff that I simply don't care for. Does this mean they are going to rewrite the records too? I certainly hope not. I'

RE: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread larry . jackson
Jon Spencer: In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase "free agency," but rather use "moral agency." What the reason is, I do not know. ___ I don't know the answer, but I surmise based on Elder Packer's talks on the subject that there are two reasons. First, it is n

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'm speculating that it's because, as I say, "free" is ambiguous. People could interpret "free agency" to mean that it doesn't matter what we do, that there are no moral consequences to our actions, that we're "free to do our own thing" as it were. Jon Spencer wrote: > In CES, we have been instr

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:08 PM 10/4/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: >In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase "free agency," but rather use >"moral agency." What the reason is, I do not know. A lot of people abuse the term "free agency" to mean "free from the natural consequences of sin." Wha

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread hkpage
TECTED]> > Date: 10/4/2002 7:08:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon > > In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase "free agency," but > rather use "moral agency." What the reason is, I do not know. > > Jon > >

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase "free agency," but rather use "moral agency." What the reason is, I do not know. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Can't say as I disagree with anything you write. Perhaps the ambiguity of the word "free" is what has led to a decrease in popular

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Can't say as I disagree with anything you write. Perhaps the ambiguity of the word "free" is what has led to a decrease in popularity of the term "free agency" in favour of "moral agency." Scott McGee wrote: > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0600, "Marc A. Schindler" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0600, "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I agree with you, but think that you are referring to a moral sphere. In > more > everyday matters, it's not sin that necessarily limits a country's > options. Marc, Your comments were fascinating, and I might co

[ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-03 Thread Gary Smith
There is no such thing as "free" agency. The saints often misconstrue what agency really is. It is the gift of choosing. The war in heaven decided the issue of agency. No one in this life can take a person's agency from him/her (so if your rebellious child says they are demanding their free agency

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-03 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:41 PM 10/3/2002, you wrote: >Marc, in amongst some other stuff, said the following: > > > We have free agency but limited options, which is usually how life > > works. > >This reminded me of a topic I wanted to discuss. In the Book of Mormon I >seem to recall several places where the idea of

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I agree with you, but think that you are referring to a moral sphere. In more everyday matters, it's not sin that necessarily limits a country's options. It can be all kinds of things. It's just like people. What did I do to have a stroke that damaged the right-parietal pre-frontal lobe of my brai

[ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-03 Thread Scott McGee
Marc, in amongst some other stuff, said the following: > We have free agency but limited options, which is usually how life > works. This reminded me of a topic I wanted to discuss. In the Book of Mormon I seem to recall several places where the idea of being able to act or to be acted upon is p