Re: [ZION] how do we know we are real?
That's the odd thing, and the wonderful thing, about foreign languages. This statement is commutative in Latin, but its translation into English is not, as you point out, even if somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Cogito ergo sum implies sum ergo cogito. The problem is that "cogito" doesn't just mean "I think", it means to have a mind, a self-awareness. Given, of course, the limitation that Descartes was only applying it to mankind, not to rocks or Republicans... Ronn Blankenship wrote: > At 08:52 PM 11/4/02, Gary Smith wrote: > >I believe it was Renee DesCartes who said, "I think, therefore I have a > >headache." > >No, wait. "I think, therefore I like green eggs and ham." > >No. > >"I think, therefore I am." Yeah, that's it. > > The problem is that the *converse* of that statement is demonstrably not > true . . . > > --Ronn! :) > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland The first duty of a university is to teach wisdom, not a trade; character, not technicalities. We want a lot of engineers in the modern world, but we dont want a world of engineers. Sir Winston Churchill (1950) Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ${list_promo}
Re: [ZION] how do we know we are real?
At 08:52 PM 11/4/02, Gary Smith wrote: I believe it was Renee DesCartes who said, "I think, therefore I have a headache." No, wait. "I think, therefore I like green eggs and ham." No. "I think, therefore I am." Yeah, that's it. The problem is that the *converse* of that statement is demonstrably not true . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] how do we know we are real?
I believe it was Renee DesCartes who said, "I think, therefore I have a headache." No, wait. "I think, therefore I like green eggs and ham." No. "I think, therefore I am." Yeah, that's it. We can ponder our own existence, real or not. However, since I experience things, why should I worry if I'm real? As long as I think it, then it is real to me. BTW, who wrote, "I feel, therefore I am."? K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Paul: How do we know we are real? This whole thing could be the day dreaming of a God who is looking at the future. The scriptures prove in the revelation saying "He lives" but how do we know that we really live? Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^