Re: [ZION] how do we know we are real?

2002-11-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
That's the odd thing, and the wonderful thing, about foreign languages. This
statement is commutative in Latin, but its translation into English is not, as
you point out, even if somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Cogito ergo sum implies sum ergo
cogito. The problem is that "cogito" doesn't just mean "I think", it means to
have a mind, a self-awareness. Given, of course, the limitation that Descartes
was only applying it to mankind, not to rocks or Republicans...


Ronn Blankenship wrote:

> At 08:52 PM 11/4/02, Gary Smith wrote:
> >I believe it was Renee DesCartes who said, "I think, therefore I have a
> >headache."
> >No, wait. "I think, therefore I like green eggs and ham."
> >No.
> >"I think, therefore I am."   Yeah, that's it.
>
> The problem is that the *converse* of that statement is demonstrably not
> true . . .
>
> --Ronn! :)
>

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Re: [ZION] how do we know we are real?

2002-11-04 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 08:52 PM 11/4/02, Gary Smith wrote:

I believe it was Renee DesCartes who said, "I think, therefore I have a
headache."
No, wait. "I think, therefore I like green eggs and ham."
No.
"I think, therefore I am."   Yeah, that's it.




The problem is that the *converse* of that statement is demonstrably not 
true . . .



--Ronn! :)

I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
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[ZION] how do we know we are real?

2002-11-04 Thread Gary Smith
I believe it was Renee DesCartes who said, "I think, therefore I have a
headache."
No, wait. "I think, therefore I like green eggs and ham."
No.
"I think, therefore I am."   Yeah, that's it.

We can ponder our own existence, real or not. However, since I experience
things, why should I worry if I'm real? As long as I think it, then it is
real to me.

BTW, who wrote, "I feel, therefore I am."?

K'aya K'ama,
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"No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free."  -
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Paul:
How do we know we are real? This whole thing could be the day dreaming of
a God who is looking at the future. The scriptures prove in the
revelation saying "He lives" but how do we know that we really live?
 


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