Re: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
Thank you Jon for your comment, because this mixed up compassion is what is guiding the opinions of all my peers at the University. Even those who are not that "interested" in the issue, are swayed in favor of Same Sex Marriages because of their compassion. Thank goodness for the prespective the Atonement gives us, to help us understand the how to treat one another in relation to eternal laws. Sara From: Jon Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:52:05 -0500 Let me offer another perspective on abortion, one that I held before joining the church. I myself was against abortion. However, I felt physically sick when I thought of those children born to drug addicts and worse. Why should they have to suffer? Abortion was a much better choice. Of course, I now have much greater knowledge. It is interesting to see how compassion can be used by Satan to turn our minds to support things which are abominations. This is just like the gay-marriage issue, where our compassion can sometimes blind us. But as we all know, mercy cannot rob justice, and compassion cannot trump eternal laws. Jon - Original Message - From: "Sander J. Rabinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5 > Jonathan Scott wrote: > > > Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. > > There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade > > in the US alone. > > Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. > > America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion > > illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is > > a difference of 12%. > > I'll simply observe at this point that some persons advocate open access > to abortion precisely because it reduces the population from what it > might have been otherwise. Zero Population Growth advocates tend to be > the most radical of all, tending to feel that any extra person upon the > face of the planet can only be a net liability, basically just another > consumer of resources and generator of wastes. The viewpoint is > repugnant, but it exists nonetheless. I even remember a couple of years > ago responding to a woman's letter to the editor in our local paper that > came from that perspective. > > All the best, > /Sandy/ > > -- > The Rabinowitz Family -- http://www.firstnephi.com > Spring Hill, Tennessee > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
Let me offer another perspective on abortion, one that I held before joining the church. I myself was against abortion. However, I felt physically sick when I thought of those children born to drug addicts and worse. Why should they have to suffer? Abortion was a much better choice. Of course, I now have much greater knowledge. It is interesting to see how compassion can be used by Satan to turn our minds to support things which are abominations. This is just like the gay-marriage issue, where our compassion can sometimes blind us. But as we all know, mercy cannot rob justice, and compassion cannot trump eternal laws. Jon - Original Message - From: "Sander J. Rabinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5 > Jonathan Scott wrote: > > > Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. > > There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade > > in the US alone. > > Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. > > America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion > > illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is > > a difference of 12%. > > I'll simply observe at this point that some persons advocate open access > to abortion precisely because it reduces the population from what it > might have been otherwise. Zero Population Growth advocates tend to be > the most radical of all, tending to feel that any extra person upon the > face of the planet can only be a net liability, basically just another > consumer of resources and generator of wastes. The viewpoint is > repugnant, but it exists nonetheless. I even remember a couple of years > ago responding to a woman's letter to the editor in our local paper that > came from that perspective. > > All the best, > /Sandy/ > > -- > The Rabinowitz Family -- http://www.firstnephi.com > Spring Hill, Tennessee > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
Jonathan Scott wrote: > Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. > There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade > in the US alone. > Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. > America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion > illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is > a difference of 12%. I'll simply observe at this point that some persons advocate open access to abortion precisely because it reduces the population from what it might have been otherwise. Zero Population Growth advocates tend to be the most radical of all, tending to feel that any extra person upon the face of the planet can only be a net liability, basically just another consumer of resources and generator of wastes. The viewpoint is repugnant, but it exists nonetheless. I even remember a couple of years ago responding to a woman's letter to the editor in our local paper that came from that perspective. All the best, /Sandy/ -- The Rabinowitz Family -- http://www.firstnephi.com Spring Hill, Tennessee // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
The beginning of life thus became a dead-end for so many. Heavenly Father must be so saddened. His children have no joy in their own children. Difficult to imagine a more bleak and twisted perversion of the Divine purposes of mortal probation. How easy to dismiss the evil of this perfidious act that has become so commonplace. Our hearts must have turned to stone. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
Sorry about the double post. Made a mistake. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
The only sure solution is to mandate tubal ligations for every young woman of childbearing age who fails a standardized exam on proper conception prevention techniques. Right-to-Life orgs and Planned Parenthood should teach the classes and administer the tests. RBS >-Original Message- >From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5 > > >Feedback Please > >- - - - - > > 5. Abortion > > Has the drift from Judeo/Christian morality >towards Nihilism >resulted in death and other loss of life? Here are >some statistics >regarding only abortion: > > Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. > There have been over 40 million abortions since >Roe vs Wade >in the US alone. > Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US >results in abortion. > America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion >illegal, its population would be approximately 331 >million. This is >a difference of 12%. > Each year, an estimated 46 million abortions >occur worldwide. > >WarUS Loss of Life >-- >Revolutionary War 4,000 >Indian Wars1,000 >War of 18122,000 > >Mexican War I 13,000 >Civil War 497,821 >War Against Spain 11,000 > >World War I116,000 >World War II 406,000 >Korean War 55,000 > >Republic Of Vietnam109,000 >Gulf War Era 9,000 >-- >Total 1,090,200 >-- >Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 > (Since Roe vs Wade) > (1973 et seq.) >-- > > The "Roe vs Wade" decision happened on January >22, 1973. The >loss of life America suffered from abortion equaled the >total amount >of lives lost in all US wars fought to date by about >May 17 of the >following year, just 481 days later. > >20th Century Event Loss of Life >-- >People's Republic of China 40,000,000 > Mao Zedong's regime > (1949-1975) >World War II 35,000,000 > (not counting holocaust) >Joseph Stalin 30,000,000 >Congo Free State (1886-1908) 21,500,000 >World War I20,000,000 >Adolf Hitler (holocaust only) 15,000,000 >China, Nationalist Era 9,630,000 > (1928-1937) >Russian Civil War (1917-1922) 9,000,000 >China, Warlord Era (1917-1928) 6,810,000 >Chinese Civil War (1945-1949) 6,194,000 >North Korea (1948 et seq.) 5,000,000 >Post-War Expulsion of 3,000,000 > Germans from East Europe > (1945-1947) >Kinshasa Congo (1998 et seq.) 3,000,000 >Afghanistan (1979-2001)2,800,000 >Korean War (1950-1953) 2,800,000 >Nigeria (1966-1970)2,000,000 >Second Indochina War 1,800,000 > (1960-1975) > (Vietnam) >Cambodia (Pol Pot) 1,600,000 > (1975-1978) >Ethiopia (1962-1992) 1,500,000 >Sudan (1983 et seq.) 1,500,000 >Rwanda and Brundi (1959-1995) 1,200,000 >Bangladesh (1971) 1,100,000 >Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) 1,000,000 >Iran-Traq War (1980-1988) 825,000 >Armenian Massacres (1915-1923) 600,000 >Mozambique (1975-1993) 400,000 >-- >Total 223,259,000 >-- >Abortions World Wide (Est.)1,451,000,000 > (Since Roe vs Wade) > (1973 et seq.) >Abortions (US only) (Est.) 41,000,000 > (Since Roe vs Wade) > (1973 et seq.) >-- > > The above events are all from the 20th century and only >included those events where the death toll was greater >than or equal >that of the US loss of life in the American Civil War. > >Sources >http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm >http://www.libraryspot.com/lists/listwars.htm >http://www.poliblogger.com/poliblog/archives/001632.html >http://www.roevwade.org/rvw1.html >http://www.ujfhc.net/1-2.html > >-- >Jonathan Scott >-- >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >// >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >/ -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^---
