Re: [ZION] The Stupidity of Other People

2003-09-04 Thread Stacy Smith
Life is indeed suffering, and I don't agree that we just put up with 
absolutely everything we are handed.  I mean, of course, people's 
attitudes.  I'm not insisting God do something about my physical infirmity.

Stacy.

At 07:28 PM 09/02/2003 -0500, you wrote:

I don't know the answer, John. I'm a jerk too and wonder if I am just
failing my mortal probation. I often think I made a mistake agreeing to
come to this lousy world. I didn't have to. I could have gone to any
other millions of other worlds and I actually agreed to come here. I'm
one stupid spirit child of God who begs to have have the Spirit with me
but can't seem to keep it for long in any strong degree.
I look forward to death every day. It will be a release and a relief.
There is no real lasting happiness and peace in this life for me. I've
done as you have done but not quite as long-- would you believe in my
last ward a youth gave a talk and actually said, life sucks! The bishop
cringed but the boy was right. Life is indeed suffering and the only way
out is to die.
Paul O
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RE: [ZION] The Stupidity of Other People

2003-09-03 Thread Noel B
John,
I have thought a lot about your comments. While I haven't been on the
list as long as others, I do sense that your heart is in the right
place. I don't know if you have ever read 'First Things First' by Covey,
but the book has given me new insights into the impact I allowed other
people to have in my emotional wellbeing. I don't have it in front of me
but he told the story of the Jewish doctor during the Holocaust that had
more 'freedom' than his captors. Good story because it gave me a glimpse
of what it means to act rather than be acted upon. I continue to make
progress in blocking other's actions from impacting my happiness. Just a
thought.


What I think you seek is the same thing that King Benjamin was able to
give the people described in Mosiah. As you may recall from Mosiah 5:2,
they had 'no more disposition to do evil.' That was a result of
receiving a remission of their sins (Mosial 4:3). Their joy was
immeasurable and they experience a mighty change in their hearts.  Ronn
mentioned it in his response and it is the same thing that Enos sought.
In 2 Nephi 31:17 we see that a remission of our sins comes by fire and
by the Holy Ghost. It took Enos a day and well into the night to receive
his. It takes a struggle on our parts to do the same. It is sad that
this is not stressed not perhaps even understood in the church today. I
have faith that if we prepare ourselves and come unto the Lord, he will
baptize us with fire and with the Holy Ghost (see 3 Nephi 12:1). I can
attest to the fact that this is real and achievable. This baptism
described raises your spirit out of the temporal world and fill your
heart with peace and joy beyond description. I don't know if you have
experienced it but it is also, as King Benjamin taught, required of us
to 'retain a remission of our sins' (Mosiah 4:11-14). Joseph Smith had
to follow this path (see DC 20:5-6)in order to regain is spiritual
sight. We are offered the same opportunity. Where ever we are on the
path (2 Nephi 31:18) the offer is there for the taking.

Noel

 -Original Message-
 From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:24 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [ZION] The Stupidity of Other People
 
 
 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all 
 mysteries, and 
 all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove 
 mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. (1 Cor. 13:2)
 
 In 1968 when I made my final, irrevocable decision to keep 
 the commandments 
 with all my might for the rest of my mortal days, I set for myself a 
 goal.  I determined to become a sweet person, kind, gentle, 
 considerate, 
 thoughtful, empathetic, and charitable.   And over the last 
 35 years I have 
 made negligible progress if any.  What am I doing wrong?
 
 Oh, I have made great progress with my checklist.  I don't smoke any 
 more.  I don't use tea, coffee, or alcohol.  I pay my 
 tithing.  I attend my 
 meetings, do a lot of my home teaching, do missionary work, 
 work on my 
 family history, attend the temple, have family home evening, 
 study the 
 scriptures most days, have family prayer, and so forth.  I'm 
 doing great 
 with the checklist.  But am I actually a kinder, more charitable 
 person?  Most of the time, it doesn't seem that way to me.
 
 I am appalled by the stupidity of Other People.  I have 
 almost no sympathy 
 for inactive members who break their promises to the Lord and 
 then cry when 
 their lives end up in the sewer.  I am angry with the 
 dissidents and other 
 Signaturi who enjoy the benefits of Church membership while 
 biting the hand 
 that feeds them.  Mormon bashers in and of the Church disgust me, 
 especially those who wallow in Digging for Dirt Church 
 history.  I think 
 that people who reject the message of the gospel from our 
 missionaries are 
 brain dead losers.  I find laughable the predicament of 
 faithful sisters 
 who have faithlessly married nonmembers.  I know that in most 
 cases their 
 loser husbands are going to just break their hearts, and what 
 is worse, 
 they asked for it when they violated prophetic counsel by 
 marrying outside 
 the Church.
 
 What is the matter with me?  How do I get a better attitude?  
 When will I 
 become a charitable person?  If 35 years isn't enough, how 
 long is it going 
 to take?  The Apostle Paul made it clear in 1 Corinthians 13 that the 
 checklist isn't going to win me the prize.  Exaltation is not 
 down the road 
 for me if I don't have charity.  But how do I get some?
 
 
 John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [ZION] The Stupidity of Other People

2003-09-02 Thread Paul Osborne
I don't know the answer, John. I'm a jerk too and wonder if I am just
failing my mortal probation. I often think I made a mistake agreeing to
come to this lousy world. I didn't have to. I could have gone to any
other millions of other worlds and I actually agreed to come here. I'm
one stupid spirit child of God who begs to have have the Spirit with me
but can't seem to keep it for long in any strong degree.

I look forward to death every day. It will be a release and a relief.
There is no real lasting happiness and peace in this life for me. I've
done as you have done but not quite as long-- would you believe in my
last ward a youth gave a talk and actually said, life sucks! The bishop
cringed but the boy was right. Life is indeed suffering and the only way
out is to die.

Paul O
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