Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After Hav
Certainly, if a person who has committed a crime has satisfied society's requirements as far as punishment and restitution, and the person has also satisfied any Church imposed punishments, s/he can be restored to full membership. Could that man be a Bishop? I guess so, if the Lord wanted him to be. There may be some special requirements for special positions (such as Paul referenced below, and which I will check out next week when the temple presidency returns), but as far as I know, forgiveness means forgiveness. Jon Paul Osborne wrote: What is the general policy regarding people who have committed crimes in the past? I'm clueless about the above. But I do know that a man who has been divorced even though it was entirely the wife's fault he cannot be a sealer in the temple. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After
Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm beginning to wonder about our liberties. Stacy. At 12:35 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: Jim It is a complicated world we live in. Indeed it is. It wasn't too long ago that a young person could commit murder here in Dallas and walk the streets on parole in a few years. Really. If a person is caught with LSD (acid) doing it on their own time-- they spent more time in jail then those miserable brats who committed murder. Dallas is not a safe place. If you come--be sure to pack a pistol because you might need it just to survive because you might pull up to the wrong gas station and not even know it until it's too late. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After
This would be dangerous for us as any assailant could use the mace against us. Stacy. At 11:25 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm beginning to wonder about our liberties. Carry mace. I do. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After (NO
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:12:26 -0800 (PST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding is that there is no policy. I had always thought that God would forgive that individual for past transactions providing he/she goes through the process of rependence. Isn't that what the Gospel is all about, Jesus Christ paid the price, and that he would no longer remember our sins. Therefore, I find it inconceivable that the Church would hold something against an individual if God has already forgiven that individual. Is it Gods church or man's? Vic That is how I see it too, Vic. But it so just so happed that my mother divorced my father some 26 years ago, was excommunicated from the church, left five kids to my father, and ran off to be a LESBIAN!!! My father did nothing wrong! His second wife has been a full time employee of the Seattle not too long after it first opened and my Father has been active serving in the Seattle temple for many years. But, because he has had a divorce he was told he can't be sealer. He is now (age 70) and dying of colon cancer which he supposedly beat some 6 years ago but has now spread to his lung (golf ball size tumor) and I reason to my self that God never did rid him of cancer as was promised by blessings, faith, temple alters, and all that. I just don't get it. Oh well. What a drag. throwing my hands up Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After H
Jim It is a complicated world we live in. Indeed it is. It wasn't too long ago that a young person could commit murder here in Dallas and walk the streets on parole in a few years. Really. If a person is caught with LSD (acid) doing it on their own time-- they spent more time in jail then those miserable brats who committed murder. Dallas is not a safe place. If you come--be sure to pack a pistol because you might need it just to survive because you might pull up to the wrong gas station and not even know it until it's too late. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After H
Stacy, some practical thoughts. If you reflect on this question with any degree of honesty, you already know that there are some things we simply do not ever forgive, notwithstanding the doctrines of the Church and the principles of repentence. It seems to me that societies and cultures deem certain acts or types of behavior to be so threatening or offensive that those offenders can never really effectively pay their debt to society. In other times and places there were different categories of specific offenses that were unforgivable. Today we have our own set. The people we now categorize as sex offenders receive the most severe and lasting stigma. I think it would be a mistake for you to engage with such an individual, not necessarily because of any of his wrongdoing or propensities for evil, but rather, because he will likely ever be burdened with the social stigma, and if you associate with him, you will have to willingly share that burden. This is from the personal perspective of one who carries such a stigma. Since I became legally divorced I have been classified a deadbeat dad, a despicable criminal in the eyes of the state, and I have learned that while many people claim to be compassionate and forgiving, much of the time they don't really mean it in any substantive sense. As soon as they learn about my criminal status, they are automatically filled with righteous hatred. There is an implicit understanding that bad people deserve nothing but contempt. In fact someone said as much to me at one time, right here on this list. I can testify, it would take a very special relationship to get me to believe that people will ever trust me again. I suggest that the very fact that you express doubt about the efficacy of atonement and repentance are indications that this isn't a relationship for you to pursue. Thoughts along the same line--there is an interesting public debate currently heating up on this criminal history issue. Some civil rights advocates now complain that public access to criminal history data violates the constitutional prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, since it effectively becomes a life sentence for individuals whose names are listed. This becomes complicated and confused with other cultural values, since many are so vehemently opposed to the death penalty. It is a complicated world we live in. --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
