RE: [ZION] Gas pains
GPS can be turned off, one way or another. Or, we can always choose older model cars without, and just keep them up. I mean, if they can drive 50+ year old cars in Havannah, I think we can manage with 5-10 year old cars. Gary Grampa Bill in Savannah wrote: > > Gerald Smith wrote: > > >One thing I've come to believe is that personal access to transportation > >is as important to freedom as is the right to bear arms. > > > >It is much easier to track people on trains and planes than it is > >driving their cars across country. > > > > > === > Grampa Bill comments: > > Wait'll they make a GPS in every car mandatory! I understand that > they can already track any GM car with NorthStar installed. > > Love Y'all, > Grampa Bill in Savannah > > With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! > Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Gas pains
Sorry Papa.But I have to agree in this case. the OPPORTUNITY of Personal access to transportation is a beautiful liberty. And I do think Americans need/enjoy the ability to choose to drive their own car. I also think access to public transportation is vital also, where cities in the country are becoming so crowded, and owning a car is becoming so expensive, public transportation moves people who can't afford a car. What is funny to me, are the owners of the Hummer H2 complaining about the price of gas. I just can't sympathize with that millionaire driving the gas guzzling machine :) I should become more compasionate shouldn't I ;) Sara p.s. It was a beautiful day in Juneau Alaska todayI was able to leave the igloo with my sister Rebekah and neice Julia for a quick trip to the Mendenhal Glacier. We were foraging for food ;) From: Gerald Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Gas pains Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:03:32 + Except that we would lose millions of jobs during the transition from a personal vehicle society to a mass transit one. One thing I've come to believe is that personal access to transportation is as important to freedom as is the right to bear arms. It is much easier to track people on trains and planes than it is driving their cars across country. Gary John W. Redelfs wrote: > > John A. English, n/OEF wrote: > >Dear Jim, > > > > Supply would be greater without the Iraq invasion, so prices would be > >lower. Supply/demand would force prices lower. It is also not the end > >of > >the world if we have to just do without cars. We existed before they > >were > >here, we will exist when they are gone. > > I wish there was a way to tax gasoline heavily enough to do away with > income taxes and yet raise the same revenue. With gas at five dollars > per > gallon and up imagine how many people would actually figure in commuting > > costs when they take a job. Public transportation would come into its > own. People would live nearer their work. They would find other ways > to > amuse themselves than by burning recreational gas. But most > importantly, > we could be energy independent. That would mean we wouldn't need to > maintain a military presence all over the globe to protect our > "national" > ie. oil interests. > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > "I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the > history of the world to compare with our present > circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and > Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity > which surrounds us now." --President Boyd K. Packer, > February 28, 2004 > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR > Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / _ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Gas pains
Gerald Smith wrote: One thing I've come to believe is that personal access to transportation is as important to freedom as is the right to bear arms. It is much easier to track people on trains and planes than it is driving their cars across country. === Grampa Bill comments: Wait'll they make a GPS in every car mandatory! I understand that they can already track any GM car with NorthStar installed. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Gas pains
Except that we would lose millions of jobs during the transition from a personal vehicle society to a mass transit one. One thing I've come to believe is that personal access to transportation is as important to freedom as is the right to bear arms. It is much easier to track people on trains and planes than it is driving their cars across country. Gary John W. Redelfs wrote: > > John A. English, n/OEF wrote: > >Dear Jim, > > > > Supply would be greater without the Iraq invasion, so prices would be > >lower. Supply/demand would force prices lower. It is also not the end > >of > >the world if we have to just do without cars. We existed before they > >were > >here, we will exist when they are gone. > > I wish there was a way to tax gasoline heavily enough to do away with > income taxes and yet raise the same revenue. With gas at five dollars > per > gallon and up imagine how many people would actually figure in commuting > > costs when they take a job. Public transportation would come into its > own. People would live nearer their work. They would find other ways > to > amuse themselves than by burning recreational gas. But most > importantly, > we could be energy independent. That would mean we wouldn't need to > maintain a military presence all over the globe to protect our > "national" > ie. oil interests. > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > "I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the > history of the world to compare with our present > circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and > Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity > which surrounds us now." --President Boyd K. Packer, > February 28, 2004 > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR > Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Gas pains
John A. English, n/OEF wrote: Dear Jim, Supply would be greater without the Iraq invasion, so prices would be lower. Supply/demand would force prices lower. It is also not the end of the world if we have to just do without cars. We existed before they were here, we will exist when they are gone. I wish there was a way to tax gasoline heavily enough to do away with income taxes and yet raise the same revenue. With gas at five dollars per gallon and up imagine how many people would actually figure in commuting costs when they take a job. Public transportation would come into its own. People would live nearer their work. They would find other ways to amuse themselves than by burning recreational gas. But most importantly, we could be energy independent. That would mean we wouldn't need to maintain a military presence all over the globe to protect our "national" ie. oil interests. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the history of the world to compare with our present circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity which surrounds us now." --President Boyd K. Packer, February 28, 2004 === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Gas pains (long)
Guess what I've been working on? Here's some data I've been collecting recently. The first column is how much gas actually was way back when. The second column is how much we would have to pay for that same gallon of gas using today's dollars. The third number is the percentage of the 1950 price that we pay today. We're doing well ladies and gentlemen. BTW, I pay about $3.60/gal for gas here in Japan. Gas (Unleaded Regular 1 Gal.) Actual Cost Adj. 2004$ As a % of 1950 -- --- -- -- 1950$0.23 $2.72 100% 1955$0.27 $2.43 89% 1960$0.30 $2.31 84% 1965$0.30 $1.93 71% 1970$0.34 $1.65 60% 1975$0.55 $1.87 68% 1980$1.18 $2.82 103% 1985$1.19 $2.36 86% 1990$1.22 $1.95 71% 1995$1.21 $1.63 59% 2000$1.55 $1.66 60% 2004$1.77 $1.77 65% The interesting thing I've been seeing is that each and every year all prices rise...but, because our incomes also rise...but at a higher rate, the actual price we pay each year for things, as a percentage of our salary, reduces...while all the while looking as if they are raising. We get a better deal each and every year all the while thinking that they we aren't. Entertainment prices though seem to be on the rise. Here's some more... It's actually quite interesting. What do you all make of it? Average US Salary Actual Cost Adj. 2004$ As a % of 1950 -- --- -- -- 1950$3180.00$37600.00 100% 1955$4128.00$37600.00 100% 1960$4816.00$37600.00 100% 1965$5900.00$37600.00 100% 1970$7700.00$37600.00 100% 1975$11000.00 $37600.00 100% 1980$15757.00 $37600.00 100% 1985$19000.00 $37600.00 100% 1990$23600.00 $37600.00 100% 1995$27800.00 $37600.00 100% 2000$35300.00 $37600.00 100% 2004$37600.00 $37600.00 100% Butter (per Pound) Actual Cost Adj. 2004$ As a % of 1950 -- --- -- -- 1950$0.74 $8.77 100% 1955$0.72 $6.58 74% 1960$0.74 $5.76 65% 1965$0.75 $4.78 54% 1970$0.88 $4.30 49% 1975$1.06 $3.61 41% 1980$1.99 $4.75 54% 1985N/A N/A 1990N/A N/A 1995N/A N/A 2000N/A N/A 2004$2.85 $2.85 32% Hershey's Chocolate Bar (per ounce) Actual Cost Adj. 2004$ As a % of 1950 -- --- -- -- 1950$0.05 $0.59 100% 1955$0.05 $0.46 77% 1960$0.05 $0.39 66% 1965$0.05 $0.32 53% 1970$0.07 $0.36 60% 1975$0.11 $0.37 61% 1980$0.24 $0.57 96% 1985$0.24 $0.48 80% 1990$0.24 $0.39 65% 1995N/A N/A 2000N/A N/A 2004$0.52 $0.52 87% Baseball Game Actual Cost Adj. 2004$ As a % of 1950 -- --- -- -- 1950$1.54 $18.21 100% 1955$1.71 $15.58 85% 1960$1.96 $15.30 84% 1965$2.29 $14.59 80% 1970$2.72 $13.28 72% 1975$3.30 $11.28 61% 1980$4.45 $10.62 58% 1985$6.08 $12.03 66% 1990$8.84 $14.08 77% 1995$10.76
RE: [ZION] Gas pains
Dear Jim, Supply would be greater without the Iraq invasion, so prices would be lower. Supply/demand would force prices lower. It is also not the end of the world if we have to just do without cars. We existed before they were here, we will exist when they are gone. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF -Original Message- From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Gas pains Gas prices have now reached record high levels in the US. Over $2 per gallon in some areas. Isn't it a good thing we mounted such an effective imperialistic war against the Iraqis, just so we could steal away their oil? I can imagine what the prices would be otherwise. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
