Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
Gary Smith wrote: It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! == Grampa Bill comments: But the ossuary is empty... as we would expect if James has been resurrected! Highly likely considering his position. -- "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:56:37 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: > > >Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of > >the Ark > >who knows what they might find? > > > Maybe even that pen I set down somewhere and can't seem to recall where. > > Till (or single socks!) Till, we know the cause of single socks. It is a sacrifice demanded by the Washing Machine God for his work. I have found, however, that if you put a rubber band around the top of a pair, they generally don't get sacrificed! I guess someone else's unpaired sock is selected instead as an easier target. Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' ossuary
>Why? There's no evidence that he's resurrected. The James that ordained >Joseph Smith was James the Greater, brother of John the Apostle. This >James is brother of Jesus, who converted after the resurrection of >Christ, and became the bishop of Jerusalem, as well as author of the book >of James. For all we know, he's still in the Spirit World working Well, who knows? Wasn't Moroni resurrected? I kind of figured that saints prior to the great apostasy have been resurrected. Then again I recall St Paul speaking of the resurrection in a far future tense and connected it with the second coming. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
Oh, they've already solved the mystery of missing socks. That's what the rings of Saturn are made out of. According to my Dad, anyway. "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: > > >Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of > >the Ark which some suppose is on Ararat to this day. Haven't they used > >sophisticated imaging and satellite technology to find roads and cities > >buried under the sands of the Arabian peninsula? Maybe they will learn to > >see through ice. I'd love to know what is on the surface buried thousands > >of feet beneath the southern, Antarctic icecap. If the earth has actually > >shifted its axis, and climates were once very much different, who knows > >what they might find? > > Maybe even that pen I set down somewhere and can't seem to recall where. > > Till (or single socks!) > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of the Ark which some suppose is on Ararat to this day. Haven't they used sophisticated imaging and satellite technology to find roads and cities buried under the sands of the Arabian peninsula? Maybe they will learn to see through ice. I'd love to know what is on the surface buried thousands of feet beneath the southern, Antarctic icecap. If the earth has actually shifted its axis, and climates were once very much different, who knows what they might find? Maybe even that pen I set down somewhere and can't seem to recall where. Till (or single socks!) / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
At 09:17 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: I'm happy for the world of biblical archaeology, don't get me wrong, and perhaps ironically for someone who's probably perceived as being pro-science, I at least know science's place and certainly its weaknesses. It says nothing about Jesus the Christ, even if it somehow could be proven to be the ossuary of the brother of the real Jesus of Nazareth. Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of the Ark which some suppose is on Ararat to this day. Haven't they used sophisticated imaging and satellite technology to find roads and cities buried under the sands of the Arabian peninsula? Maybe they will learn to see through ice. I'd love to know what is on the surface buried thousands of feet beneath the southern, Antarctic icecap. If the earth has actually shifted its axis, and climates were once very much different, who knows what they might find? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean ? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind." --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
At 09:00 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote: It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! No bones, just the box. The bones are long gone. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
Gary Smith wrote: > Actually, it IS ".05 percent." That means it is less than one percent > chance of happening. I agree that it could have been stated clearer. > But he meant 1 in 20, which is 5%. I agree that's not clear from the context, but when you read the AP and other wire service reports that the Globe author used (I'm assuming, because he has so many direct quotes from the wire service version, just basically building up the Toronto link, of course) you'll see that someone has made an assumption that there's about a 1 in 20 chance of having all 3 of these names on an ossuary or any other public record at the time and place in question. But you're right that it's really slimmer than that, because even that calculation assumes there was one and only one such combination possible, and given the common occurrences of the name, I don't buy that. > > As for the provenance, yes it is a shame that there is none for this > artifact. However, there are things they can verify. For example, they > can compare the writing style on the ossuary with that of others in the > timeframe and verify the style is equivalent (it is). Then they can > review if any others have the name of both a father and brother on it > (only one does, but there is an example of this occurring). Finally, they > look to see if such an item was used in the timeframe suggested by the > other evidence. It so happens that in Jerusalem, ossuaries were ONLY used > between 20BC and 70AD. > Actually we don't know how far back they were used. They weren't used past 70 AD for the simple reason that Jerusalem was destroyed then. The earliest one that has been *found* is probably about 20 BC (that sounds about right, I wouldn't know) but the point is that we can't prove a negative, which is why provenance is so important. Epigraphers and those who have examined the stone and the inscription's physical characteristic (it has a patina on it which shows ancient age, etc.) all bear out. So I'm not saying it's *not* what it might appear to be. I'm just saying we can never prove it. It's like the Shroud of Turin. The only way you could actually prove it *authentic*, even if it *did* come from someone who was crucified in the first half of the first century AD, was by DNA. Next time you see the Lord, ask him for a sampleSee the problem? I'm happy for the world of biblical archaeology, don't get me wrong, and perhaps ironically for someone who's probably perceived as being pro-science, I at least know science's place and certainly its weaknesses. It says nothing about Jesus the Christ, even if it somehow could be proven to be the ossuary of the brother of the real Jesus of Nazareth. > > It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in > the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise ones unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in The Peloponessian Wars Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
>It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in >the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! I think the only way you're going to get the bones of James is if you tug on his LIVING limbs. If you do that Gary I'm sure he'll smack you. ha ha ha ha Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
