Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
Paul Osborne wrote: My observations are that bishops are selected from a pool of men who can administer and who have been successful in the ways of the world. I would be delighted to see men selected from a pool of men who can minister without regard to administering skills which could be left to the counselors. Grampa Bill observes: It is my understanding that at one point in the early days of the Church, it was the practice for a ward to have both a Bishop who attended to the spiritual needs of the ward and a Ward Preident who was an administrator. The stakes still have a vestige of those days with a Patriarch who is the Father of the Stake and a Stake President who administers. Disputes between the Bishops and the WPs regarding authority and division of responsibility led to the elimination of the WP position. Incidently, I have been a Bishop and have never had financial sucess in life. I believe I was probably a better minister than administrator though I tried to surround myself with men who were better than myself. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:53 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "Counsel with the bishop" is a standard answer. As a problem > solving > strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. > > Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine > problems. Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible > as > personal counselors. > > After ten years of crying on bishop's shoulders I have changed my > thinking. It isn't fair for me to unburden my problems on them. > I've > tried harder to share my confidences with the Lord, and keep my > personal > problems to myself. > > I can imagine the numerous bishops I've dumped my sad story on over > the > last decade, cringing mentally every time they think about me. "Oh, > > that poor miserable Brother Cobabe. I hope he doesn't come to me > for > sympathy again." Jim, My observations are that bishops are selected from a pool of men who can administer and who have been successful in the ways of the world. I would be delighted to see men selected from a pool of men who can minister without regard to administering skills which could be left to the counselors. prophet Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
Their desire, in my opinion, is to coach the person seeking help to get personal revelation and help solve their own problems. At times they have referred people to therapists. Stacy. At 10:28 PM 09/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: "Counsel with the bishop" is a standard answer. As a problem solving strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine problems. Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as personal counselors. = Grampa Bill comments: As a former Bishop of the Savannah First Ward, I tend to agree. While I was given the keys to receive revelation on behalf of the ward, I was not given revelation on behalf of Brother Smith's family. Brother Smith himself solely had that right. Incidently, as I understand the order of the Church, neither the Stake President, the Area President, The Brethren, nor the Prophet hold such keys. They are given only to Brother Smith. Of course, Sister Smith had the right to revelation in living her own life. About all a bishop can do is look to see if the members are following generalized counsel as given in the scriptures and by the Brethren, and counsel them to move in that direction. If he goes further, it is at his own peril. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
If my experience/background is correct, they're most likely cringing and thinking "Oh that poor Brother Cobabe. I wish I had a couple of miracles for him!" *jeep! --Chet "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible." On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:53 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I can imagine the numerous bishops I've dumped my sad story on over > the > last decade, cringing mentally every time they think about me. "Oh, > that poor miserable Brother Cobabe. I hope he doesn't come to me > for > sympathy again." > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
Jim Cobabe wrote: "Counsel with the bishop" is a standard answer. As a problem solving strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine problems. Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as personal counselors. = Grampa Bill comments: As a former Bishop of the Savannah First Ward, I tend to agree. While I was given the keys to receive revelation on behalf of the ward, I was not given revelation on behalf of Brother Smith's family. Brother Smith himself solely had that right. Incidently, as I understand the order of the Church, neither the Stake President, the Area President, The Brethren, nor the Prophet hold such keys. They are given only to Brother Smith. Of course, Sister Smith had the right to revelation in living her own life. About all a bishop can do is look to see if the members are following generalized counsel as given in the scriptures and by the Brethren, and counsel them to move in that direction. If he goes further, it is at his own peril. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
