Re: [zones-discuss] Solaris 8/9 branded zones on Nevada and/or x86

2009-10-02 Thread Jeff Victor
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Rainer Orth r...@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de 
wrote:
 As far as I've been able to find out so far, Solaris 8 and 9 branded
 zones are available and supported on Solaris 10 only right now, and only
 for SPARC.  Are there any plans to provide them for x86 and Nevada, too?

There wasn't much Solaris 8 or Solaris 9 deployed on x86, so, to the
best of my knowledge, there will not be a Solaris 8 Containers or
Solaris 9 Containers for x86.

As for Nevada - do you also mean x86?

 There are two reasons I'm asking: I'd like to test current versions of
 GCC on older Solaris releases without having to run on bare metal.  Of
 course I could use VirtualBox or xVM on x86, but the performance won't
 be too good (I tested a GCC bootstrap on xVM dom0 quite some time ago
 and it took about twice as long as on bare metal).  And on SPARC, I
 don't have a spare Ldom available to run Solaris 10, but would rather
 use a zone on a V880 running Nevada.

 Especially given the fact that Sun wants to get Solaris 10 users on bare
 metal to Nevada (Solaris 11, whatever) quickly by providing Solaris 10
 branded zones, it would only make sense to provide S8/S9 branded zones
 on S11 as well.

I follow your logic. It is very important to distinguish between the
bi-weekly builds of OpenSolaris, the supported releases of the
OpenSolaris distro, and the-next-version-of-Solaris-after-10. They are
different entities, and the abilities to run S8C or S9C on each of
those are very different things.

S8C and S9C are (non-open-source) products that Sun (as opposed to
other distributors of OpenSolaris distros) makes available. I don't
think that this is an appropriate place for discussion of Sun's
product futures. But I have been wrong about such things before...

--JeffV
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Re: [zones-discuss] Solaris 8/9 branded zones on Nevada and/or x86

2009-10-02 Thread Octave Orgeron
Speaking from experience, there are some big deployments of Solaris 9 on x86 
out there in the e-commerce and telco industries. But many have moved onto 
Solaris 10 thankfully. So I can understand the thinking here. But I'm sure 
there may be some good business cases where S8/9 branded zones on x86 would be 
desirable.

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- Original Message 
From: Jeff Victor jeff.j.vic...@gmail.com
To: Rainer Orth r...@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
Cc: zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 8:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [zones-discuss] Solaris 8/9 branded zones on Nevada and/or x86

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Rainer Orth r...@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de 
wrote:
 As far as I've been able to find out so far, Solaris 8 and 9 branded
 zones are available and supported on Solaris 10 only right now, and only
 for SPARC.  Are there any plans to provide them for x86 and Nevada, too?

There wasn't much Solaris 8 or Solaris 9 deployed on x86, so, to the
best of my knowledge, there will not be a Solaris 8 Containers or
Solaris 9 Containers for x86.

As for Nevada - do you also mean x86?

 There are two reasons I'm asking: I'd like to test current versions of
 GCC on older Solaris releases without having to run on bare metal.  Of
 course I could use VirtualBox or xVM on x86, but the performance won't
 be too good (I tested a GCC bootstrap on xVM dom0 quite some time ago
 and it took about twice as long as on bare metal).  And on SPARC, I
 don't have a spare Ldom available to run Solaris 10, but would rather
 use a zone on a V880 running Nevada.

 Especially given the fact that Sun wants to get Solaris 10 users on bare
 metal to Nevada (Solaris 11, whatever) quickly by providing Solaris 10
 branded zones, it would only make sense to provide S8/S9 branded zones
 on S11 as well.

I follow your logic. It is very important to distinguish between the
bi-weekly builds of OpenSolaris, the supported releases of the
OpenSolaris distro, and the-next-version-of-Solaris-after-10. They are
different entities, and the abilities to run S8C or S9C on each of
those are very different things.

S8C and S9C are (non-open-source) products that Sun (as opposed to
other distributors of OpenSolaris distros) makes available. I don't
think that this is an appropriate place for discussion of Sun's
product futures. But I have been wrong about such things before...

--JeffV
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