Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope.traversing/trunk/ zcml now only depends on zope.component meta, not zope.app.component

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 01:37 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 01:08:51PM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote:
  Gary Poster wrote:
   Log message for revision 98787:
 zcml now only depends on zope.component meta, not zope.app.component
   
   Changed:
 U   zope.traversing/trunk/CHANGES.txt
 U   zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/configure.zcml
 A   
   zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/tests/ftest_zcml_dependencies.zcml
 A   zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/tests/test_dependencies.py
   
   -=-
   Modified: zope.traversing/trunk/CHANGES.txt
   ===
   --- zope.traversing/trunk/CHANGES.txt 2009-04-02 02:22:07 UTC (rev 
   98786)
   +++ zope.traversing/trunk/CHANGES.txt 2009-04-02 06:46:52 UTC (rev 
   98787)
   @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
3.5.4 (unreleased)
--

   -- ...
   +- Change configure.zcml to not depend on zope.app.component.

3.5.3 (2009-03-10)
--
   
   Modified: zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/configure.zcml
   ===
   --- zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/configure.zcml  
   2009-04-02 02:22:07 UTC (rev 98786)
   +++ zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/configure.zcml  
   2009-04-02 06:46:52 UTC (rev 98787)
   @@ -16,10 +16,10 @@
provides=zope.traversing.interfaces.ITraversable for=*
factory=zope.traversing.namespace.etc
/
   -view
   +adapter
name=etc
   -type=zope.interface.Interface
   -provides=zope.traversing.interfaces.ITraversable for=*
   +for=* zope.publisher.interfaces.IRequest
   +provides=zope.traversing.interfaces.ITraversable
factory=zope.traversing.namespace.etc
/
   ...
  
  Excellent fix.
 
 *applause*
 
 Incidentally, I've a long-standing wish to be able to register browser
 views in ZCML using the adapter directive.
 
 class MyFineView(BrowserPage):
 adapts(IMyContentObject, IBrowserRequest)
 
 template = ViewPageTemplateFile('my_fine_view.pt')
 
 def __call__(self):
 # update form or whatever
 return self.template()
 
 adapter name=my_fine_view.html factory=.mod.MyFineView /
 
 Maybe something to look for in Zope 4?

How about recording this wish on launchpad?

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Re: [Zope-dev] zope.documentetemplate breaks with unicode

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 08:27 +, Jens W. Klein wrote:
 We're using zope.documenttemplate for ArchGenXML code generation. 
 
 If we feed it with unicode-strings it breaks while joining its rendered 
 parts, see http://zope3.pov.lt/trac/browser/zope.documenttemplate/trunk/
 src/zope/documenttemplate/pdocumenttemplate.py#L335
 
 I know, DTML is rarely used, but for code-generation its fine. Is this a 
 bug or does DTML not support unicode?

I don't know this code well, but I think we support unicode in general
and breakage while joining parts sounds like a typical bug.

Do the tests talk about unicode somewhere?

Christian

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Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Remove the dependency of zope.app.exception on zope.formlib

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:38 -0700, Stephan Richter wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Michael Howitz wrote:
  Any comments on this implementation?
 
 +1 from me, since I hate having zope.formlib around. However, this might be 
 self-serving and we should hear from people not using newer UI patterns.
 
  Should I do the include
  include package=z3c.template file=meta.zcml /
  in zope.app.exception's configure.zcml or only in the ftesting.zcml?
 
 Just in ftesting.zcml should be fine in my opinion.

Honestly, I'm having trouble arguing for either scenario exclusively.

I'm somewhat expecting that doing

include package=xy/

will cause this package to do everything it needs to activate its
configuration.

E.g. z3c.form is partially painful because one has to do the same work
over and over again in figuring out which depending libraries need to be
configured.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Request to mailing list Foundation-Info rejected

2009-04-23 Thread Lacko Roman
Hi,

Could someone explain me what that message means ?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Request to mailing list Foundation-Info rejected

2009-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:57 , Lacko Roman wrote:

 Hi,

 Could someone explain me what that message means ?

This simply means that during a moderation queue cleanup of probably  
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[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 8 OK

2009-04-23 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list.
Period Wed Apr 22 12:00:00 2009 UTC to Thu Apr 23 12:00:00 2009 UTC.
There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Tests.


Tests passed OK
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Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 20:50:14 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011531.html

Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 20:52:16 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011532.html

Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.6 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 20:54:20 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011533.html

Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.5.4 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 20:56:20 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011534.html

Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.6.1 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 20:58:21 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011535.html

Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.4.6 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 21:00:21 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011536.html

Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.5.4 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 21:02:21 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011537.html

Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.1 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Apr 22 21:04:21 EDT 2009
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011538.html

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Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Remove the dependency of zope.app.exception on zope.formlib

2009-04-23 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 23 April 2009, Christian Theune wrote:
 E.g. z3c.form is partially painful because one has to do the same work
 over and over again in figuring out which depending libraries need to be
 configured.

Good point. We should probably provide a sample configuration somewhere.

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Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Designs for zope2.zope.org available - Feedback welcome

2009-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
And the winner is: #3

http://zope2.zopyx.de/designs/HomePage3.jpg/image_view_fullscreen

The votes for #1 and #3 are close together. I have made the final decision
based on the valuable comments of Carsten Senger and Martin Aspeli.

Thank you all for the numerous comments.

Andreas

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 Hi there,

 I happy to be able to present three different Designs
 for the upcoming Zope 2 microsite. All designs were
 developed by Alma Ong of Clearnoodle.com.

 Find the designs here

 http://zope2.zopyx.de/designs

 and please leave some comment until May 25th 2009.

 After that we will review the comments and make
 the final choice.

 We are:

 Robert Rottermann (Redcor)
 Gerhard Hug (Redcor)
 Alma Ong (Clearnoodle)
 Andreas Jung (ZOPYX)
 Alan Runyan (Enfold)

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Re: [Zope-dev] standard_error_message no longer used in Zope 2.12?

2009-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
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Chris Withers wrote:
 Chris Withers wrote:
 Hi,

 Is this the case?

 Should it be the case?

 In any case, how do I customise the site error message in Zope 2.12?
 
 Getting on for a week later and no answer.
 
 Is it really the case that no-one knows what's going on here?

Maybe nobody else cares enough to do the debugging you're too lazy to do? ;)


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
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Am 19.04.2009 um 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jung:



 Supported, documented and recommended installation methods should be

 - virtualenv + easy_install (see above)


I just released

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.1

that allows us to build an Zope 2 related index based
on the versions.cfg file of the Zope 2 package. Easy_installing
becomes pretty easy using this approach:


virtualenv foo
cd foo
source bin/activate
bin/easy_install -i http://some.url/index/2.12.0a3 Zope2

Andreas
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Andreas Jung wrote:
 I just released
 
 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.1
 
 that allows us to build an Zope 2 related index based
 on the versions.cfg file of the Zope 2 package. Easy_installing
 becomes pretty easy using this approach:
 
 virtualenv foo
 cd foo
 source bin/activate
 bin/easy_install -i http://some.url/index/2.12.0a3 Zope2

Awesome news!

You rock :)
Hanno

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
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Andreas Jung wrote:
 
 Am 19.04.2009 um 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jung:
 
 
 Supported, documented and recommended installation methods should be
 
 - virtualenv + easy_install (see above)
 
 
 I just released
 
 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.1
 
 that allows us to build an Zope 2 related index based
 on the versions.cfg file of the Zope 2 package. Easy_installing
 becomes pretty easy using this approach:
 
 
 virtualenv foo
 cd foo
 source bin/activate
 bin/easy_install -i http://some.url/index/2.12.0a3 Zope2

- - The 'source bin/activate' part should be unnecessary (I never use it,
  and I use *lots* of virtualenvs).

- - I propose the following for the index URL:

  http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.0a3


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Baiju M
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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 Andreas Jung wrote:

 Am 19.04.2009 um 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jung:


 Supported, documented and recommended installation methods should be

 - virtualenv + easy_install (see above)


 I just released

 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.1

 that allows us to build an Zope 2 related index based
 on the versions.cfg file of the Zope 2 package. Easy_installing
 becomes pretty easy using this approach:


 virtualenv foo
 cd foo
 source bin/activate
 bin/easy_install -i http://some.url/index/2.12.0a3 Zope2

 - - The 'source bin/activate' part should be unnecessary (I never use it,
  and I use *lots* of virtualenvs).

 - - I propose the following for the index URL:

  http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.0a3

What about dropping that index from URL, like this:

  http://download.zope.org/Zope2/2.12.0a3

Regards,
Baiju M
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
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Am 23.04.2009 um 19:27 schrieb Tres Seaver:

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 Andreas Jung wrote:

 Am 19.04.2009 um 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jung:


 Supported, documented and recommended installation methods should be

 - virtualenv + easy_install (see above)


 I just released

 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.1

 that allows us to build an Zope 2 related index based
 on the versions.cfg file of the Zope 2 package. Easy_installing
 becomes pretty easy using this approach:


 virtualenv foo
 cd foo
 source bin/activate
 bin/easy_install -i http://some.url/index/2.12.0a3 Zope2

 - - The 'source bin/activate' part should be unnecessary (I never  
 use it,
  and I use *lots* of virtualenvs).

 - - I propose the following for the index URL:

  http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.0a3



Does anyone know about the procedure for uploading stuff to  
download.zope.org?

Andreas
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On Apr 23, 2009, at 20:13 , Andreas Jung wrote:

 Does anyone know about the procedure for uploading stuff to
 download.zope.org?

Stephan Richter is maintaining the contents of download.zope.org with  
a series of scripts that do a simple PyPI mirror and create a bunch of  
other Zope 3-related content.

If there was a simple scriptable way to grab whatever you need on  
there e.g. from SVN I could add a script.

jens



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
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Baiju M wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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 Andreas Jung wrote:
 Am 19.04.2009 um 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jung:


 Supported, documented and recommended installation methods should be
 - virtualenv + easy_install (see above)

 I just released

 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.1

 that allows us to build an Zope 2 related index based
 on the versions.cfg file of the Zope 2 package. Easy_installing
 becomes pretty easy using this approach:


 virtualenv foo
 cd foo
 source bin/activate
 bin/easy_install -i http://some.url/index/2.12.0a3 Zope2
 - - The 'source bin/activate' part should be unnecessary (I never use it,
  and I use *lots* of virtualenvs).

 - - I propose the following for the index URL:

  http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.0a3
 
 What about dropping that index from URL, like this:
 
   http://download.zope.org/Zope2/2.12.0a3

Depends on where the actual tarballs are located.  The URL which gets
pointed to via 'easy_install --index url' has to be a PyPI simple
index, not just a listing of tarballs.

If we put *all* tarballs in '/Zope2', *never* removing or replacing one,
then we could have the index be named for the release number.
Otherwise, we could put the exact tarballs for a given release into a
directory named for the release, e.g. '/Zope2/2.12.0a3/, and then create
the PyPI simple index structure at '/Zope2/2.12.0a3/index'.

That box is the same as svn.zope.org / cvs.zope.org, with the virtual
host served from /var/www/download.zope.org.  I think contributors have
rights to scp files into some parts of that tree, but might need help
creating the top-level directories from somebody with more privileges.

Tres.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 
 On Apr 23, 2009, at 20:13 , Andreas Jung wrote:
 
 Does anyone know about the procedure for uploading stuff to
 download.zope.org?
 
 Stephan Richter is maintaining the contents of download.zope.org with
 a series of scripts that do a simple PyPI mirror and create a bunch of
 other Zope 3-related content.
 
 If there was a simple scriptable way to grab whatever you need on
 there e.g. from SVN I could add a script.

Let's *not* mirror PyPI in the Zope2 index, please!  I know folks don't
like it, but this index should contain only Zope-related known good
packages.


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[Zope-dev] zc.buildout broken

2009-04-23 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi everybody

Ran 367 tests with 50 failures and 1 errors in 8 minutes 14.891 seconds.

The latest trunk of zc.buildout is completly broken.
At least on windows. Can someone check this on linux?

Regards
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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout broken

2009-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
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Roger Ineichen wrote:
 Hi everybody
 
 Ran 367 tests with 50 failures and 1 errors in 8 minutes 14.891 seconds.
 
 The latest trunk of zc.buildout is completly broken.
 At least on windows. Can someone check this on linux?

Work on my Linux box (Ubuntu 8.10, w/ Python 2.5):

- -- % ---
$ svn co $ZSVN/zc.buildout/trunk zc.buildout-trunk
Uzc.buildout-trunk/CHANGES.txt
Uzc.buildout-trunk/setup.py
Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/CHANGES.txt
Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/setup.py
Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/src/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py
Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/src/zc/recipe/egg/README.txt
Uzc.buildout-trunk/dev.py
Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/testing.py
Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/buildout.txt
Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/easy_install.txt
Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/easy_install.py
Checked out revision 99446.
$ cd zc.buildout-trunk/
$ ls
binbuildout.cfg  dev.py  doc.txt  README.txt  src
bootstrap  CHANGES.txt   disteggs setup.pytodo.txt
build  develop-eggs  doc partsspecifications  zc.recipe.egg_
$ /path/to/virtualenv-2.5 --no-site-packages /tmp/zcb
...
$ /tmp/zcb/bin/python bootstrap/bootstrap.py
...
$ bin/buildout
...
$ bin/test
...
  Ran 373 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 2 minutes 58.273 seconds.
Tearing down left over layers:
  Tear down zope.testing.testrunner.layer.UnitTests in 0.000 seconds.
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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout broken

2009-04-23 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Tres

 Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout broken
 
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 Roger Ineichen wrote:
  Hi everybody
  
  Ran 367 tests with 50 failures and 1 errors in 8 minutes 
 14.891 seconds.
  
  The latest trunk of zc.buildout is completly broken.
  At least on windows. Can someone check this on linux?
 
 Work on my Linux box (Ubuntu 8.10, w/ Python 2.5):
 
 - -- % --- $ 
 svn co $ZSVN/zc.buildout/trunk zc.buildout-trunk
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/CHANGES.txt
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/setup.py
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/CHANGES.txt
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/setup.py
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/src/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/zc.recipe.egg_/src/zc/recipe/egg/README.txt
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/dev.py
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/testing.py
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/buildout.txt
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/easy_install.txt
 Uzc.buildout-trunk/src/zc/buildout/easy_install.py
 Checked out revision 99446.
 $ cd zc.buildout-trunk/
 $ ls
 bin  buildout.cfg  dev.py  doc.txt  README.txt  src
 bootstrap  CHANGES.txt disteggs setup.py  
   todo.txt
 builddevelop-eggs  doc partsspecifications  zc.recipe.egg_
 $ /path/to/virtualenv-2.5 --no-site-packages /tmp/zcb ...
 $ /tmp/zcb/bin/python bootstrap/bootstrap.py ...
 $ bin/buildout
 ...
 $ bin/test
 ...
   Ran 373 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 2 minutes 
 58.273 seconds.
 Tearing down left over layers:
   Tear down zope.testing.testrunner.layer.UnitTests in 0.000 seconds.
 - -- % ---

Thanks a lot. I'll take another look at what happens on windows.

Regards
Roger Ineichen

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0a2 released

2009-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
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Am 23.04.2009 um 22:39 schrieb Tres Seaver:

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 Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

 On Apr 23, 2009, at 20:13 , Andreas Jung wrote:

 Does anyone know about the procedure for uploading stuff to
 download.zope.org?

 Stephan Richter is maintaining the contents of download.zope.org with
 a series of scripts that do a simple PyPI mirror and create a bunch  
 of
 other Zope 3-related content.

 If there was a simple scriptable way to grab whatever you need on
 there e.g. from SVN I could add a script.

 Let's *not* mirror PyPI in the Zope2 index, please!  I know folks  
 don't
 like it, but this index should contain only Zope-related known good
 packages.


zope.z2release does not create a mirror. The generated index.html files
within the index refer to the original files on PyPI. So no local
packages.

Andreas
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[Zope] Backing up a Zope instance with Relstorage / Mysql

2009-04-23 Thread Anthony Gerrard
Hi,

We're setting a new Zope instance (2.10.7) using Relstorage (1.1.3) and MySql 
(5.0.77).  We have 3 different mount points (main, Plone and temp) all pointing 
to different mysql databases.

I can't find any instructions about backing up this type of environment.  Can 
just we back databases up sequentially?

thanks in advance

Anthony
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Re: [Zope] Backing up a Zope instance with Relstorage / Mysql

2009-04-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Anthony Gerrard wrote:
 We're setting a new Zope instance (2.10.7) using Relstorage (1.1.3)
 and MySql (5.0.77).  We have 3 different mount points (main, Plone
 and temp) all pointing to different mysql databases.
 
 I can't find any instructions about backing up this type of
 environment.  Can just we back databases up sequentially?

Your main database probably changes very infrequently.  No Plone user 
action should change the main database, so I suspect the backup order 
doesn't matter much.

If both databases changed often, we'd have to think harder.  For 
example, if you put your catalog in a different database, you would want 
to either back them up at the same instant (by shutting down, using a 
volume snapshot, or holding a lock on both databases for a short time) 
or back up the catalog first and plan to rebuild the catalog whenever 
you restore.

Shane
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