[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal
This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good. Zope cant maintain a friggin web site? Isnt that rich. Taht's not the point. The problem is not the technology, but the human resources you need to fill such a big Zope Website with Life (i.E. hi quality content). The Plone Community has achieved this goal, so methinks we should think what they did to make it happen... We have the same problem in Germany regarding http://www.zope.de/ which will soon be relaunched (see http://new.zope.de/ ) - it's just a very few people that can spend some of their limited time. So it's going foward slowly and we do not have as much content already there, as I personally wish. However we hope to attract some more people within the German speaking Community and to get more content in there after the launch... Kind Regards from Munich Maik ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal
has offered resources to accomplish this to finally happen. They currently have taken the artistic work done by Tom Von Lahndorff and put it online at http://new.zope.nl for preview. I'd like to forward Which looks great, methinks. And an advertising Site for Zope should look exciiting, as ror and other hyped frameworks have shown already. A group of people in the (Plone) community have volunteered their time and resources to put together an improved, **interim** zope.org site. We understand that work is Hmm. I agree that it is a good Idea, to improve zope.org quickly and I think that this way looks promising. However, such **interim** Solutions tend to last longer than they are expected to last. We should be aware that this interim Solution may be there for a couple of years. * Existing community content on zope.org will NOT be migrated. Good Idea - there is so much outdated content there. The content will be made available on ZC's existing server via URL rewriting (to keep existing links from breaking) or by moving everything to an old.zope.org domain. The best content will be migrated by hand to PloneHelpCenter / PloneSoftwareCenter products. +1 if the old stuff is still accessible and if any noob can see that this is old stuff... * The zope.org site should acknowledge contributors in a overt fashion. Zope Rock Stars who have risen up above the call of duty, contributors, etc should be noted. The Foundation can determine how to implement this, but those paying for and providing services should receive acknowledgment. Yes that ist an important point. If you acknowledge content contributors they (and maybe others) will more likely keep on contributing. The documentation Area on plone.org shows the authors picture for tutorials - I believe that there are quite a few people out there which will be motivated by a small photo + text which recognises the author... Kind Regards Maik ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal
Chris Withers wrote: David H wrote: This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good. Zope cant maintain a friggin web site? Isnt that rich. Hey David, Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources, coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the problems that entails. Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering? Personally I have not visited zope.org for a few years for anything other than releases. And I am a long time pro developer. It seems pretty obvious these days that having a one-shop zope.org site is too ambitious. Perhaps even wrong guided. I wouldn't even know what should be on it. Zope 2 development mostly means Plone these days. Plone has a great site already, so no reason to do to much about that. Pure Zope 3 is in even less use than pure Zope 2. The exciting stuff is going on in Five and 2-3 integration. But why the heck make a site about that? You could say that zope has been beaten by its own success. The only sensible approach I can see is to make a new zope.org with releases, installation guides etc. It should also showcases the great cms/applications that are build on top of it. With links to those sites. On those individual sites there are lots of documentation, product releases programming tricks etc. Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about programming in pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/AGX in Plone. It's like assembly language to a python programmer. I assume that it is the same for other frameworks. Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make sense anymore. It is simply to low level. Drop all the old documentation and move it to old.zope.org. Just in cases there is a nugget somewhere. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27 Jun 2006, at 11:46, Max M wrote: Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about programming in pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/ AGX in Plone. It's like assembly language to a python programmer. I assume that it is the same for other frameworks. Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make sense anymore. It is simply to low level. I agree with all your points, but not with dropping the Products section. Believe it or not, there is life outside of Plone. Yes, for most people that seems to be a strange notion nowadays. There are a few odd people who don't use it and who are running pure Zope products. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEoQ2CRAx5nvEhZLIRAgDMAJ9z9S2fzLshOczv9yywW6AlP2n8zQCeOPMr JGysGqYHREcbtiKCdIWG6AE= =4wXy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal
Zope.org is becoming a worse and worse face of Zope. If anyone were to ask me about Zope at this point, I would point them to Plone.org which not only has more relevant data, better searches, better organization but, of course, looks good. Just my personal opinion, but if Zope Corp is going to use the namesake of Zope they should also take on Zope.org as a full responsibility, meaning all aspects with someone who is a full time Zope.org person. Jake ___ http://www.ZopeZone.com On Tue, June 27, 2006 5:46 am, Max M said: Chris Withers wrote: David H wrote: This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good. Zope cant maintain a friggin web site? Isnt that rich. Hey David, Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources, coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the problems that entails. Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering? Personally I have not visited zope.org for a few years for anything other than releases. And I am a long time pro developer. It seems pretty obvious these days that having a one-shop zope.org site is too ambitious. Perhaps even wrong guided. I wouldn't even know what should be on it. Zope 2 development mostly means Plone these days. Plone has a great site already, so no reason to do to much about that. Pure Zope 3 is in even less use than pure Zope 2. The exciting stuff is going on in Five and 2-3 integration. But why the heck make a site about that? You could say that zope has been beaten by its own success. The only sensible approach I can see is to make a new zope.org with releases, installation guides etc. It should also showcases the great cms/applications that are build on top of it. With links to those sites. On those individual sites there are lots of documentation, product releases programming tricks etc. Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about programming in pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/AGX in Plone. It's like assembly language to a python programmer. I assume that it is the same for other frameworks. Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make sense anymore. It is simply to low level. Drop all the old documentation and move it to old.zope.org. Just in cases there is a nugget somewhere. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
