Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
+---[ Michel Pelletier ]-- | Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: | > | > +---[ Michel Pelletier ]-- | > | | > | asking the question "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?". Duh. | > | > Perhaps for the non-americans, someone can tell us why the answer to this is | > 'nobody.' | | Oops. Ulysses S. Grant is buried in Grant's tomb. He was President of | the US from 1869-1877. The question "Who's buried in Grant's tomb?" is | from, I belive, a Marx Brothers' skit. The answer is supposed to be | obvious (to Americans, at least). That's the problem it seems obvious, but, it isn't, it's one of the all time hall of fame 'trick questions'. http://personal.pitnet.net/bbb/funnies/sf_18i1.htm THE WORLD'S EASIEST TEST... This test has just twenty questions (and one bonus question), so you should be able to answer them all in just a few minutes. Write down your answers and see how you do ... [snip] 20) Who's buried in Grant's Tomb? [snip] 20) Though the bodies of both President Grant and his wife are contained inside the famous tomb and New York City landmark, they are not buried. In an above ground tomb, bodies aren't buried, they are "entombed." ANSWER: Nobody is buried in Grant's Tomb. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: > > +---[ Michel Pelletier ]-- > | > | asking the question "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?". Duh. > > Perhaps for the non-americans, someone can tell us why the answer to this is > 'nobody.' Oops. Ulysses S. Grant is buried in Grant's tomb. He was President of the US from 1869-1877. The question "Who's buried in Grant's tomb?" is from, I belive, a Marx Brothers' skit. The answer is supposed to be obvious (to Americans, at least). -Michel ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: > +---[ Michel Pelletier ]-- > | > | asking the question "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?". Duh. > > Perhaps for the non-americans, someone can tell us why the answer to this is > 'nobody.' > I thought the answer was supposed to be "Grant" ! If it's "nobody" , I suppose it's because he's not technically "buried" -- he's entoumbed in a marble mausoleum. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| University of Virginia Health Sciences Center |--- ---| P.O. Box 10011Charlottesville, VA 22906-0011 |--- "All operating systems want to be unix, All programming languages want to be lisp." ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:00:29 -0700 Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway we could get maybe daily list of submitted candidates, or a page > listing them How about a wiki ? -- Yves-Eric Martin Digital Garage Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
Michel Pelletier wrote: > *Once again* we will be soliciting names from inside DC and from the > community. In addition to submitting a name, we encourage you to also > submit a one-liner description or justification for you name, it can be > in any form, Haiku poetry, a Dutch sea-shanty, a Monty Python quote, > anything *relevant* to encourage people to vote for your entry. Make one of the choices "Python ZMethod". It's short and sensible because these objects have behaviors only somewhat different from real Python methods. Also include "Python Op". It rolls off your tongue like a gumdrop. It's not overloaded, nor is it a new word like "ZMethod". Finally, include "Python Web Method". These objects have certain behaviors that are appropriate for the WWW, such as traversability and security restrictions. Shane ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
Anyway we could get maybe daily list of submitted candidates, or a page listing them, so we don't duplicate (I get the feeling there may be multiple request for Python ZMethod, for example.) efforts on getting candidates? Might keep your inbox from swelling with duplicates too. :) Bill ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
+---[ Michel Pelletier ]-- | | asking the question "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?". Duh. Perhaps for the non-americans, someone can tell us why the answer to this is 'nobody.' -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] The new Python Method renaming Poll
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/Scratch/Poll Hope Netscape doesn't mess up my formatting on the rest of this. The above link goes to the HTML version if it does! -Michel The New and Improved Python Method Poll We recently held a poll on Zope.org about renaming Python Methods. The poll turned out to be a bit of a disaster for several reasons, but at least we learned our lesson and this time, hopefully, we're gonna do it the right way. *Why* do we want to rename Python Methods? We want to rename Python Methods because they are not methods in Python. There are already things in the Python language called "Methods" and what we currently call "Python Methods" do not look or act much like real methods written in Python. To illustrate the point, Jim recently told me that he went up to PythonLabs to visit, and when he showed them Python Methods their reaction was "These aren't Python Methods.", and they should know! So we have two choices: 1) Change the behavior of Python Methods so that they look and act like methods in Python, instead of what they are now, or 2) Keep the existing behavior and change the name. We discarded the first choice because we like the existing behavior, we find it useful for through the web development, and we have invested a lot of thought and engineering into it. Changing the behavior would effect lots of things, so we decided to go with the second choice. The second choice is good because it requires little labor, but it is not an *easy* choice to make, especially for us since we're all pretty biases and geek-headed. This is where you come in. We want you to vote from a selection of internal and community solicited new names for Python Methods. What was wrong with the last Poll? In the last poll, "Method" won "hands down":http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/poll/viewStats. But the poll was obviously a bit biased, no justification was given as to *why* we wanted to rename Python Methods and "Method" was mentioned all over the poll, it was even a choice! To quote Jim, the poll was a lot like asking the question "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?". Duh. Also, there were lots of candidate names, but with no context, who could really choose one? There were no justification for names, and many of them that were fairly reasonable scored almost dead last. So, we're gonna do things a little differently in this poll. How does the new poll work? *Once again* we will be soliciting names from inside DC and from the community. In addition to submitting a name, we encourage you to also submit a one-liner description or justification for you name, it can be in any form, Haiku poetry, a Dutch sea-shanty, a Monty Python quote, anything *relevant* to encourage people to vote for your entry. We will also have a front-page blurb on the poll that you must read in order to vote. It will describe the reasons and justification's behind the new poll, and why we want to rename Python Methods. "Method" will not be an option, so please don't submit it. When is the new poll? The new poll will start on Monday, November 27th, 2000 and go until the following Friday. Name submission are due by the Friday before the poll, November 24th, 2000. How do I submit a candidate? Send an email with the subject line "Python Method name candidate" to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]":mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Your email must contain at least the name you propose, but it may also contain a *short* paragraph justifying why you think your name should be chosen. I will compile the list of candidates the Friday before the Poll begins. Your welcome and encouraged to discuss possibilities on the mailing lists, but please, since I don't have all the time in the world to troll the list, if you don't send me an email, I will not add your candidate to the list! Thanks, and Good Luck to all! ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
