Re: [Zope] ZClass, Product comparison
Hi Nestor ! "Nestor A. Diaz L." wrote: > > HI, thanks you for the latest answer on testing products, however i have a > doubt i know how to make ZClass however i think they are more restrictive, > can anyone telling me advantanges or disadvantes of using Zclass instead > of products? Have a look at: http://zdp.zope.org/portals/developers/designstrategies All about the different tradeoffs between developing your class as a Zope product in Python, as a ZClass, and mixing the two approaches. Add to this portal subject if you find out more. Regards, Maik Röder -- Uzopia - Digging la vida Zopa - http://uzopia.editthispage.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZClass, Product comparison
HI, thanks you for the latest answer on testing products, however i have a doubt i know how to make ZClass however i think they are more restrictive, can anyone telling me advantanges or disadvantes of using Zclass instead of products? Thank you, -- Nestor A. Diaz Ingeniero de Desarrollo Engendro.com - Comercio Electronico sobre Linux Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WWW: http://www.engendro.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
Steve Spicklemire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Umm.. did you try it? I use it all the time... it does really work. You just > can't use the ZClass 'folder' directly, you need to 'skip' to propertysheets/methods. Amazing! Yeah, I tried it by walking from the root, but as you demonstrate, if you go directly to the method, you can edit it. I swear this didn't work before. I haven't thrown away days of my life editing in the textarea. Really. -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
Umm.. did you try it? I use it all the time... it does really work. You just can't use the ZClass 'folder' directly, you need to 'skip' to propertysheets/methods. -steve example: -- anotherhost.foo.com> ftp onehost.foo.com 13021 Connected to onehost.foo.com. 220 onehost.foo.com FTP server (Medusa Async V1.12.4.1 [experimental]) ready. Name (onehost.foo.com:steve): 331 Password required. Password: 230 Login successful. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> dir 227 Entering Passive Mode (208,150,70,197,9,101) 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list drwxrwx--- 1 Zope Zope0 Dec 30 1998 Control_Panel -- 1 foouser Zope0 Jul 7 18:08 acl_users -rw-rw 1 Zope Zope 1024 May 3 1999 index_html -rw-rw 1 Zope Zope 1381 May 3 1999 standard_error_message -rw-rw 1 Zope Zope 55 Dec 30 1998 standard_html_footer -rw-rw 1 Zope Zope 81 Dec 30 1998 standard_html_header 226 Transfer complete ftp> cd Control_Panel 250 CWD command successful. ftp> dir 227 Entering Passive Mode (208,150,70,197,9,102) 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list drwxrwx--- 1 Zope Zope0 Aug 31 14:55 .. -- 1 Zope Zope0 Dec 30 1998 Database -- 1 Zope Zope0 Dec 30 1998 DebugInfo drwxrwx--- 1 Zope Zope0 Aug 31 13:59 Products -- 1 Zope Zope0 Dec 30 1998 Versions 226 Transfer complete ftp> cd Products/My_ZClasses/My_ZClass/propertysheets/methods 250 CWD command successful. ftp> dir 227 Entering Passive Mode (208,150,70,197,9,103) 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list -- 1 foouser Zope0 Aug 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw 1 steveZope 165 Aug 31 14:55 defaultRedirect -r--r- 1 foouser Zope 214 Aug 31 14:55 findPrevArea -rw-rw 1 foouser Zope 2548 Aug 31 14:55 index_html -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 123 Aug 31 14:55 l-tab.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 98 Aug 31 14:55 lb-tab.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 93 Aug 31 14:55 r-tab.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 91 Aug 31 14:55 rb-tab.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 60 Aug 31 14:55 t-tab.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 90 Aug 31 14:55 tabs-lb.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 91 Aug 31 14:55 tabs-rb.gif -rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser Zope 84 Aug 31 14:55 tabs.gif 226 Transfer complete ftp> pwd 257 "/Control_Panel/Products/My_ZClasses/My_ZClass/propertysheets/methods" is the current directory. ftp> quit 221 Goodbye. anotherhost.foo.com> > "Karl" == Karl Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Karl> Steve Spicklemire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> How about: >> >> /you@server >> port:/Control_Panel/Products/YourProduct/YourZClass/propertysheets/methods/yourMethod Karl> How about it? Karl> Hint: that ZClass doesn't look like a directory to FTP. >> -steve >> >> > "Karl" == Karl Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Karl> What FTP editing options are there for ZClass definitions? Karl> I've never been able to do much. What I have done is use Karl> folderish ZClasses, edit DTML methods contained in the Karl> *instance* thru FTP, and then moved them to the definition Karl> latler, but that's kind of hacky - it adds a little more Karl> confusion about finding things with large projects. >> Karl> -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Karl> ___ Zope Karl> maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross Karl> posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >> >> >> ___ Zope maillist - >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No >> cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >> Karl> -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
Steve Spicklemire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about: > > /you@server >port:/Control_Panel/Products/YourProduct/YourZClass/propertysheets/methods/yourMethod How about it? Hint: that ZClass doesn't look like a directory to FTP. > > -steve > > > "Karl" == Karl Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Karl> What FTP editing options are there for ZClass definitions? > Karl> I've never been able to do much. What I have done is use > Karl> folderish ZClasses, edit DTML methods contained in the > Karl> *instance* thru FTP, and then moved them to the definition > Karl> latler, but that's kind of hacky - it adds a little more > Karl> confusion about finding things with large projects. > > Karl> -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Karl> ___ Zope > Karl> maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross > Karl> posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - > Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
How about: /you@server port:/Control_Panel/Products/YourProduct/YourZClass/propertysheets/methods/yourMethod -steve > "Karl" == Karl Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Karl> What FTP editing options are there for ZClass definitions? Karl> I've never been able to do much. What I have done is use Karl> folderish ZClasses, edit DTML methods contained in the Karl> *instance* thru FTP, and then moved them to the definition Karl> latler, but that's kind of hacky - it adds a little more Karl> confusion about finding things with large projects. Karl> -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl> ___ Zope Karl> maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross Karl> posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce Karl> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Karl Anderson wrote: > > What FTP editing options are there for ZClass definitions? > > Your email address suggests you should be able to find out more easily > than me ;-) Well, I'm pretty sure the answer is "none", but I'm asking to the list so if someone does have some kind of workaround, the reply will be public. > Maybe you could suggest better editing support for FTP or is WebDAV the > way of the future? > Mention was made of Adobe GoLive! in Paris, what's that like for doing > this sort of this? FTP is limited for this sort of thing because it works on files with no metadata. I *think* that the only reason one can't edit DTML methods in a ZClass definition is that the intermediate steps don't support a FTP directory interface. That'd be a nice first step. I've heard some ideas about how we could edit properties, permissions, etc. with FTP, some more hackish than others. Best is probably some sort of XML text file associated with an item. But from what I've been reading, the focus will be on through the web editing whenever possible. I personally find it much more convenient to work with python baseclasses & have a python shell looking at the ZODB in an emacs buffer, so I have a history of what I've done and seen and can look at the objects & attributes on any level. And yes, the wave of the future does appear to be with the various clients that are coming out, Radio Userland being the most recent that I've heard about. -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
Karl Anderson wrote: > What FTP editing options are there for ZClass definitions? Your email address suggests you should be able to find out more easily than me ;-) Maybe you could suggest better editing support for FTP or is WebDAV the way of the future? Mention was made of Adobe GoLive! in Paris, what's that like for doing this sort of this? cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Nestor A. Diaz L." wrote: > > I want to know if there is any utility that let translate a ZClass to a > > Product, i'm worry using the frames based interface, so i'm considering to > > switch to a Product a utility that let that would be usefull howevere a > > HOWTO on doing this would be fine. > > Not sure abotu what you're asking... > If you want to convert your ZClass-based product to a pythno based > product so you don't have to do development through the managemetn > interface, then the answer is sorry, no you can't. I always put python base classes under my ZClasses, even if the baseclass doesn't do anything at the start. Then it's easy to move attributes from the ZClass to the baseclass, or throw simple test/debug/prototype methods in the ZClass temporarily. Likewise, I usually put a ZClass on top of my python base classes, even if the ZClass doesn't do much at the start (which is more often). > However, if it's just the through-the-web part of developing a > ZClass-based product that's causing you problems, have you considered > editing the ZClasses using FTP or WebDAV? What FTP editing options are there for ZClass definitions? I've never been able to do much. What I have done is use folderish ZClasses, edit DTML methods contained in the *instance* thru FTP, and then moved them to the definition latler, but that's kind of hacky - it adds a little more confusion about finding things with large projects. -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZClass <--> Product
"Nestor A. Diaz L." wrote: > I want to know if there is any utility that let translate a ZClass to a > Product, i'm worry using the frames based interface, so i'm considering to > switch to a Product a utility that let that would be usefull howevere a > HOWTO on doing this would be fine. Not sure abotu what you're asking... If you want to convert your ZClass-based product to a pythno based product so you don't have to do development through the managemetn interface, then the answer is sorry, no you can't. However, if it's just the through-the-web part of developing a ZClass-based product that's causing you problems, have you considered editing the ZClasses using FTP or WebDAV? cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZClass <--> Product
HI, I want to know if there is any utility that let translate a ZClass to a Product, i'm worry using the frames based interface, so i'm considering to switch to a Product a utility that let that would be usefull howevere a HOWTO on doing this would be fine. thanks, Nestor A. Diaz Ingeniero de Desarrollo Engendro - Comercio Electronico sobre Linux Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WWW: http://www.engendro.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
