[Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
From the horse's mouth as it were. I'll let the list know where to find it when it appears. Paul --- Begin Forwarded Message --- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:16:42 -0800 From: David Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lutris Enhydra Journal (3nd issue) is coming! Sender: David Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: David Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The next issue of the Lutris Enhydra Journal will be delivered to you on Monday, 15 January 2001. Articles will include: Brett McLaughlin: Open Source and Commercial Entities Bill Karwin: jFAQ Peter Hearty: InstantDB Hints Tips Part II Paul Gresham: Zope vs Enhydra Wayne Stidolph: About the Enhydra Services Architecture Peter Darrah: Ant Daryl Tempesta: Skeleton, Build, Rebuild : Stages of development Thomaz Edison: Context-sensitive search engine project at MIT using Enhydra Look forward to your comments and feedback, David Young, Lutris Chief Evangelist and LE Journal Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The Library, Tyndall Avenue, Univ. of Bristol, Bristol, BS8 1TJ, UK E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/ ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
And upon Thursday of January 11, the illustrious Paul Browning spake thusly... From the horse's mouth as it were. I'll let the list know where to find it when it appears. snip The next issue of the Lutris Enhydra Journal will be delivered to you on Monday, 15 January 2001. Articles will include: snip Paul Gresham: Zope vs Enhydra snip Coolness -- thanks for the heads-up. Beers, Corey ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
On Friday 29 December 2000, at 18 h 52, the keyboard of [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But really, has anyone had any experience with the *other* open source Web Application Server, Enhydra? Why, *the* other? There is only one? http://www.brics.dk/bigwig/ ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
You may be interested to know that the HiperDOM project, currently in development by DC and my company, aims ot bring to Zope a template system similar to the XMLC of Enhydra. Check it out: http://www.zope.org/Members/mj/HiperDom In my opinion, you really can't compare Enhydra with Zope. Enhydra is exclusively a programmers tool. Zope, through it's friendly UI, enables you to delegate many maintenance activities to end-users, where they belong. Regards, Luciano Ramalho Hiperlogica Sao Paulo - Brazil ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
t it has an approach that targets a different set of uses. While we can argue about Zope's fitness being a "general-purpose" app server, but when it fits the needs of its users, or adapts in order to do so, what's the point? Sean -Original Message- From: Terrel H. Shumway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 11:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra Flame bait? Catch this: I have recently been reaching the disillusionment phase with Zope, so please take it all with several grains of salt. I happened upon an article in the ArsDigital Systems Journal that I thought was a fairly neutral review of Enhydra. http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/enhydra/index.adp The more thought-provoking part of the article was a reference to a fairly disparaging view of application servers in general. http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/application-servers What got me to ArsDigita was AMK's Zope frustrations. http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/why-not-zope.html (BTW, some of these issuses are being addressed.) Which also lead me to Chuck Esterbrook's musings http://pywx.idyll.org/advocacy/why-not-zope.html http://pywx.idyll.org/advocacy/why-not-zope-2.html Chuck Esterbrook created webware as his answer to Zope's limitations and complexity. http://webware.sourceforge.net/ Titus Brown advocates use AOLserver and Python (instead of TCL) http://pywx.idyll.org/advocacy/ IBM developerworks has a couple of Enhydra articles (which I have not read yet) http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/enhydra.html http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/w-friend.html?dwzone=web In summary: Don't build what you don't need -- do the simplest thing that could possibly work. Evaluate potential solutions in terms of business value to YOUR customers, not in terms of market hype. HTH -- Terrel Shumway ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
I know, I know -- total flame bait... But really, has anyone had any experience with the *other* open source Web Application Server, Enhydra? I just "discovered" it the other day while writing an introduction to Zope for my co-workers, as we're about to embark on a serious new development project. At any rate, after already being *highly* impressed and sold on Zope - I ended up spending a little time at www.enhydra.org and became more and more enthused. I'm currently downloading it to give it a fair chance - but I was wondering if anyone else here has happened to have already given it a review, and if so, could you relay some of your findings/opinions? I've yet to stumble across any mention of Enhydra in any of the Zope documentation/introductory material or even yet on this list. I'd be interested in hearing any testimonials from Zopistas. Thanks for any input! Beers, Corey ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope vs. Enhydra
Flame bait? Catch this: I have recently been reaching the disillusionment phase with Zope, so please take it all with several grains of salt. I happened upon an article in the ArsDigital Systems Journal that I thought was a fairly neutral review of Enhydra. http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/enhydra/index.adp The more thought-provoking part of the article was a reference to a fairly disparaging view of application servers in general. http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/application-servers What got me to ArsDigita was AMK's Zope frustrations. http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/why-not-zope.html (BTW, some of these issuses are being addressed.) Which also lead me to Chuck Esterbrook's musings http://pywx.idyll.org/advocacy/why-not-zope.html http://pywx.idyll.org/advocacy/why-not-zope-2.html Chuck Esterbrook created webware as his answer to Zope's limitations and complexity. http://webware.sourceforge.net/ Titus Brown advocates use AOLserver and Python (instead of TCL) http://pywx.idyll.org/advocacy/ IBM developerworks has a couple of Enhydra articles (which I have not read yet) http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/enhydra.html http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/w-friend.html?dwzone=web In summary: Don't build what you don't need -- do the simplest thing that could possibly work. Evaluate potential solutions in terms of business value to YOUR customers, not in terms of market hype. HTH -- Terrel Shumway ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
