Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-27 Thread Phil Harris

On Saturday 27 January 2001 03:26, Tres Seaver wrote:
> In the neverending "perfect Zope editor" jihad, "Phil Harris"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on the side of the angels
>
> of light:
> > I just did a search on google and came up with some
> > interesting  Win32 versions of Vim 5.7.11:
> >
> > See http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/00index.txt
> >
> > Since the Python and TCL interpreters are built in it should
> > be possible to add seamless FTP/WebDAV clients into Vim,
> > cool!
>
> Even more insidious, consider:
>  :py import Zope; app=Zope.app()
>
> ZEO + VIM is a r00ling IDE :)
>
> Tres.

Hmm, never thought of that, hmm.  (Phil starts thinking nice thoughts)

Phil

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Tres Seaver

In the neverending "perfect Zope editor" jihad, "Phil Harris"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on the side of the angels
of light:

> I just did a search on google and came up with some
> interesting  Win32 versions of Vim 5.7.11:
> 
> See http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/00index.txt
> 
> Since the Python and TCL interpreters are built in it should
> be possible to add seamless FTP/WebDAV clients into Vim,
> cool!

Even more insidious, consider:

 :py import Zope; app=Zope.app()

ZEO + VIM is a r00ling IDE :)

Tres.
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Timothy Wilson

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Phil Harris wrote:

> You could use STunnel to wrap Zope in SSL, www.stunnel.org.

Phil,

Could you expand on this a bit? I would be very interested in wrapping all
access to "manage" in SSL. Is that possible?

-Tim

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Phil Harris

You could use STunnel to wrap Zope in SSL, www.stunnel.org.

Works fine for me.

Phil

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> >>>>> "GLW" == Geoffrey L Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> GLW> I'm (hopefully) just about to run into a situation where I'm
> GLW> going to start off-site development on another Zope project,
> GLW> but I need a more secure way of editing than XEmacs/efs...
>
> One possible approach (unfortunately no code) -- (X)Emacs can speak
> SSL (uses it, at least, for imap communication :-), so if Zope's ftp
> server could be SSL wrapped...?
>
> A related question -- is there any way to get Zope to listen to scp
> (ssh's copy)?
>
> (I'm interested in exactly the same thing, sigh...).
>
> best,
> -tony
>
> --
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread A.J. Rossini

> "GLW" == Geoffrey L Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


GLW> I'm (hopefully) just about to run into a situation where I'm
GLW> going to start off-site development on another Zope project,
GLW> but I need a more secure way of editing than XEmacs/efs...

One possible approach (unfortunately no code) -- (X)Emacs can speak
SSL (uses it, at least, for imap communication :-), so if Zope's ftp
server could be SSL wrapped...?

A related question -- is there any way to get Zope to listen to scp
(ssh's copy)?

(I'm interested in exactly the same thing, sigh...).

best,
-tony

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FHCRC: M--W : 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy
CFAR:  ??   : 206-731-3647 (fax=3694)|Email is far better than phone
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Geoffrey L. Wright

Michel Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

[...]
> > - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
> > cadaver making it work ;-)
> 
> XEmacs

Is there a WebDAV mode for XEmacs?  Or perhaps a well understood way
of tying it to cadaver?  A bit of searching on both topic led to no
immediate clueful solutions.

I'm (hopefully) just about to run into a situation where I'm going to
start off-site development on another Zope project, but I need a more
secure way of editing than XEmacs/efs...

If there were a friendly way of tying XEmacs to cadaver that might
just be the ticket


//glw


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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Ragnar Beer

What's speedbar mode?

>XEmacs (speedbar mode)
>
>>  Any ideas?
>
>I had to, love makes you do strange things.

Oh, yes indeed ;)

Ragnar



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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Michel Pelletier

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> My wishlist would be:
> 
> - Runs nicely on NT4

XEmacs

> - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
> stuff, DTML ;-)

XEmacs

> - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
> cadaver making it work ;-)

XEmacs

> - Regular Expression search & replace

XEmacs

> - search & replace of multiple files

XEmacs

> and my dream list would be:
> 
> - can run multiple copies of the editor at once

XEmacs (but who needs more than one emacs?)

> - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
> Python 2)

XEmacs (speedbar mode)

> Any ideas?

I had to, love makes you do strange things.

-Michel


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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread seb bacon


> - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
> Python 2)

would

  http://www.beopen.com/products/oobrowser/oobrowser_overview.html

be any use?

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Dan L. Pierson

Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
> 
> My wishlist would be:
> 
> - Runs nicely on NT4
> - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
> stuff, DTML ;-)
> - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
> cadaver making it work ;-)
> - Regular Expression search & replace
> - search & replace of multiple files
> 
> and my dream list would be:
> 
> - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
> - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
> Python 2)

XEmacs :-) (what I used for the last few years on NT)

Visual SlickEdit (maybe you can finish my Python support -- I think
it's now available from the VSE site).

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Mario Valente

At 10:08 1/25/01 +, Chris Withers wrote:
>Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
>
>My wishlist would be:
>
>- Runs nicely on NT4
>- Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
>stuff, DTML ;-)
>- FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
>cadaver making it work ;-)
>- Regular Expression search & replace
>- search & replace of multiple files
>
>and my dream list would be:
>
>- can run multiple copies of the editor at once


  You should look into

  Notetab Pro  at http://www.notetab.com/

  and

  40tude at http://www.40tude.com/html/


  The first one does all you request (FTP access) except DTML/Python
 syntax, although I'm sure there was a file around to do it.

  The second one already comes with Zope/DTML syntax highlighting
 builtin. You can get to the files using MS WebFolders (Webdav) or
 through alternatives.

  C U!

  -- Mario Valente



  

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Jason Cunliffe

check out HTML-Kit
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/#features

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- Original Message -
From: Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:08 AM
Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]


> Tres Seaver wrote:
> >
> > I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
> > emacs is gone :)
>
> Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
>
> My wishlist would be:
>
> - Runs nicely on NT4
> - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
> stuff, DTML ;-)
> - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
like
> cadaver making it work ;-)
> - Regular Expression search & replace
> - search & replace of multiple files
>
> and my dream list would be:
>
> - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
> - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor
for
> Python 2)
>
> Any ideas?



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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

Boa already has a Zope interface via FTP.

- Original Message -
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To: "Dario Lopez-Kästen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


> Hi,
>
> What about http://freshmeat.net/projects/boa-constructor/?highlight=boa ?
>
> I heard about this yesterday from Godefroid. With some changes we perhaps
> could add a Zope interface?
>
> Tom.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dario Lopez-Kästen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]
>
>
> > Textpad www.textpad.com
> > EditPluswww.editplus.com
> >
> > I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much
> rather
> > use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac
> >
> > /dario
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Tres Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM
> > Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]
> >
> >
> > > Tres Seaver wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
> > > > emacs is gone :)
> > >
> > > Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
> > >
> > > My wishlist would be:
> > >
> > > - Runs nicely on NT4
> > > - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
> > dreamworld
> > > stuff, DTML ;-)
> > > - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
> > like
> > > cadaver making it work ;-)
> > > - Regular Expression search & replace
> > > - search & replace of multiple files
> > >
> > > and my dream list would be:
> > >
> > > - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
> > > - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the
> editor
> > for
> > > Python 2)
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Chris
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Tom Deprez

Hi,

What about http://freshmeat.net/projects/boa-constructor/?highlight=boa ?

I heard about this yesterday from Godefroid. With some changes we perhaps
could add a Zope interface?

Tom.
- Original Message -
From: "Dario Lopez-Kästen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


> Textpad www.textpad.com
> EditPluswww.editplus.com
>
> I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much
rather
> use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac
>
> /dario
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Tres Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]
>
>
> > Tres Seaver wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
> > > emacs is gone :)
> >
> > Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
> >
> > My wishlist would be:
> >
> > - Runs nicely on NT4
> > - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
> dreamworld
> > stuff, DTML ;-)
> > - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
> like
> > cadaver making it work ;-)
> > - Regular Expression search & replace
> > - search & replace of multiple files
> >
> > and my dream list would be:
> >
> > - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
> > - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the
editor
> for
> > Python 2)
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
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Re: [Zope] Mozilla and Zope (Was: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT])

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

IIRC I saw a post to that effect, they say they haven't got the resources
right now.

Shame.

You could look at Komodo, http://www.activestate.com



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> [Wolfgang Strobl]
>
> | It's pure Python and wxPython (i.a. wxWindows) based, it even comes
> | with a first attempt of a Zope interface! I wonder that it doesn't
> | get more publicity here.  On the other hand, I noticed that Shane
> | Hathaway is listed as one of the developers ...
>
> I though DigiCool was developing a Zope interface with Mozilla, has
> this been abandoned?
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[Zope] Mozilla and Zope (Was: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT])

2001-01-25 Thread Erik Enge

[Wolfgang Strobl]

| It's pure Python and wxPython (i.a. wxWindows) based, it even comes
| with a first attempt of a Zope interface! I wonder that it doesn't
| get more publicity here.  On the other hand, I noticed that Shane
| Hathaway is listed as one of the developers ...

I though DigiCool was developing a Zope interface with Mozilla, has
this been abandoned?

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

I just did a search on google and came up with some interesting  Win32
versions of Vim 5.7.11:

See http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/00index.txt

Since the Python and TCL interpreters are built in it should be possible to
add seamless FTP/WebDAV clients into Vim, cool!

http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/gvim57ole.zip
Gvim for win32 with ole support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-perl-tcl.zip
Vim/GVim with Perl 5.6 and TCL 8.3.2 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-perl.zip
Vim/GVim with Perl 5.6 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python-perl-tcl.zip
(G)Vim with Python 1.5.2, Perl 5.6, and TCL 8.3.2
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python-perl.zip
Vim/GVim with Python 1.5.2 and Perl 5.6 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python-tcl.zip
Vim/GVim with Python 1.5.2 and TCL 8.3.2 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python.zip
Vim/GVim with Python 1.5.2 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-tcl.zip
Vim/GVim with TCL 8.3.2 support


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> Vim, seconded apart from the FTP and WebDAV bits ;), but using cadaver
> sounds like a good option.
>
> See also http://www.zope.org/Members/philh/vim_html for a small howto on
> using Vim with FTP.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Oleg Broytmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > > Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
> > > My wishlist would be:
> > >
> > > - Runs nicely on NT4
> > > - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
> dreamworld
> > > stuff, DTML ;-)
> > > - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
> like
> > > cadaver making it work ;-)
> > > - Regular Expression search & replace
> > > - search & replace of multiple files
> >
> >www.vim.org
> >
> > Oleg.
> > 
> >  Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

Vim, seconded apart from the FTP and WebDAV bits ;), but using cadaver
sounds like a good option.

See also http://www.zope.org/Members/philh/vim_html for a small howto on
using Vim with FTP.


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From: "Oleg Broytmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
> > My wishlist would be:
> >
> > - Runs nicely on NT4
> > - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
> > stuff, DTML ;-)
> > - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
like
> > cadaver making it work ;-)
> > - Regular Expression search & replace
> > - search & replace of multiple files
>
>www.vim.org
>
> Oleg.
> 
>  Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
> My wishlist would be:
>
> - Runs nicely on NT4
> - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
> stuff, DTML ;-)
> - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
> cadaver making it work ;-)
> - Regular Expression search & replace
> - search & replace of multiple files

   www.vim.org

Oleg.

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Wolfgang Strobl

On 25 Jan 2001, 10:08  Chris Withers wrote:

> Tres Seaver wrote:
> > 
> > I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
> > emacs is gone :)
> 
> Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

Why not use Riaan Booysens Boa Constructor IDE or Mark Hammonds 
PythonWin IDE? 

Boa: http://sourceforge.net/projects/boa-constructor/ 
Use the cvs checkout, not the 0.0.4 download from September, which is almost 
unuseable.

PythonWin: http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/

Both use the scintilla control (http://www.scintilla.org/), btw.

For pure Python work, especially for Windows specific stuff,  I prefer 
PythonWin. But for platform independent work and Zope works Boa Constructor 
looks very promising. 

It's pure Python and wxPython (i.a. wxWindows) based, it even comes with a 
first attempt of a Zope interface! I wonder that it doesn't get more publicity here. 
On the other hand, I noticed that Shane Hathaway is listed as one of the 
developers ...


> 
> My wishlist would be:
> 
> - Runs nicely on NT4

Well, I use Boa on Windows 2000, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't 
run as nicely on NT4, too.

> - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
> dreamworld stuff, DTML ;-) - 

Well, it does Python and DTML. :-)

Scintilla comes with syntax colouring for many languages and seems pretty 
extendable. I haven't checked the above list, though. 


> FTP or WebDAV editing built in as
> standard (or alternative solution, like cadaver making it work ;-) -
> Regular Expression search & replace - search & replace of multiple
> files

I've used the builtin ftp client for editing my Zope sites a few times for editing 
zope. It's a bit rough at the edges, but usable.

> 
> and my dream list would be:
> 
> - can run multiple copies of the editor at once

Well, it's possible to run multiple copies of Boa. It's only usefull when working 
on different projects concurrently, though. Usually I prefer opening many files in 
a single instance.

> - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the
> editor for Python 2)

That's a scintilla feature, so it comes for free (so to speak) with both PythonWin 
and Boa Constructur (and SciTE, Scintillas own tiny editor, of course).

-> http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html


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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen

Textpad www.textpad.com
EditPluswww.editplus.com

I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much rather
use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac

/dario

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From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tres Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]


> Tres Seaver wrote:
> >
> > I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
> > emacs is gone :)
>
> Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
>
> My wishlist would be:
>
> - Runs nicely on NT4
> - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
> stuff, DTML ;-)
> - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
like
> cadaver making it work ;-)
> - Regular Expression search & replace
> - search & replace of multiple files
>
> and my dream list would be:
>
> - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
> - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor
for
> Python 2)
>
> Any ideas?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
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RE: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Max Møller Rasmussen

From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

Try www.ultraedit.com .

It's not free, but it ain't expensive, and I use it 12 hours/day with joy.
Has only crashed on me twice in 4 years.

regards Max M

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