Re: [Zope-CMF] Move to github?

2013-03-04 Thread Lennart Regebro
I'm not major a CMF contributor and are unlikely to actually
contribute much in the future, so I do not and should not have a say
in the move.
I'd just want to correct a factually incorrect statement though:

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:55 AM, yuppie y.2...@wcm-solutions.de wrote:
 Monopolies are bad. (At least if they are in private hand.)

On the contrary, it's state supported monopolies that are bad. github,
just like twitter and facebook, are still subject to market forces
(and hence neither of them are actually monopolies in a strict sense,
and just a dominant actor on the market, but that's nitpicking). As
they are subject to market forces they can and will be deposed from
being the major platform, if they stop doing a good job. Therefore,
this type of monopoly are much less bad than any state-supported
monopoly.

This concludes this political broadcast.

//Lennart
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Re: [Zope-CMF] [dev] tools as utilities

2012-09-06 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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 On 09/06/2012 01:37 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Tres Seaver
 tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 And if we don't want to support more than one site the ZODB,
 there should be a warning of you try to do it, btw.

 I've got no problem with more than one CMF site in a single Zope
 instance;  I just don't want to promote .zexp as the way to migrate
 such sites (that is what GS is for, after all).

 I'm confused now. GenericSetup has never been able to reliably export
 the content of a Plone site, to my knowledge. I'm sure we could make
 that happen, of course, but is that really less work than

 I have no idea what you man.  GS has been the *only* means I have used
 for migrating CMF / Plone based sites for going on years now:   I haven't
 used a .zexp export to do so in more than a decade (since well before GS
 was even released).

 (I am talking about sites with literally millions of content objects, BTW).

Impressive, I usually have gotten errors during the export, because it
tries to export content objects when I don't want to, I just want to
back up the configuration.
Of course, there is the problem that some configuration uses content
objects, so if you try to export just configuration and not content
you have problems anyway, but I don't know what we can do about
that...

(I have to say though that I think the claim that this is what GS is
for probably is news to many. It was always pushed as a way to do
*setup* not exporting content. Ah well).

//Lennart
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Re: [Zope-CMF] [dev] tools as utilities

2012-09-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Charlie Clark
charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
 Am 05.09.2012, 11:48 Uhr, schrieb yuppie y.2...@wcm-solutions.de:

 I use a single Zope instance for several small CMF sites and I use .zexp
 export and import for moving CMF sites from one Zope instance to an other.
 Works fine for me. Even with Plone sites.

 Even if it works for you I'm not sure that this is a use case we should
 support.

I think it is. We have to have some way to move a Plone site from one
ZODB to another.

//Lennart
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Re: [Zope-CMF] [dev] tools as utilities

2012-09-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Charlie Clark
charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
 No, one site per Data.fs is what we should support. This has more or less
 been the explicit aim of Zope  2.8

So you want to tell everyone that either has not received that
message, or used Plone since before 2.5, That yeah, I know you can do
that, but we were just messing with you so now you are fucked.
Well, I don't think we should say that.

And if we don't want to support more than one site the ZODB, there
should be a warning of you try to do it, btw.

//Lennart
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Re: [Zope-CMF] [dev] tools as utilities

2012-09-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 And if we don't want to support more than one site the ZODB, there
 should be a warning of you try to do it, btw.

 I've got no problem with more than one CMF site in a single Zope
 instance;  I just don't want to promote .zexp as the way to migrate such
 sites (that is what GS is for, after all).

I'm confused now. GenericSetup has never been able to reliably export
the content of a Plone site, to my knowledge.
I'm sure we could make that happen, of course, but is that really less
work than having zexp work? :-)

//Lennart
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Re: [Zope-CMF] GenericSetup: Question on StackOverflow

2011-04-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:11, Jens Vagelpohl j...@dataflake.org wrote:
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 On 4/9/11 09:09 , Suresh V. wrote:
 Please see:

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5603459/genericsetup-what-does-toolset-xml-accomplish-if-toolinit-still-has-to-be-called

 I could not create a cmf tag, so if you can please add that to the
 tags in the question.

 Not sure what that site is or does, but the only forums regularly
 visited and supported by the CMF developers are this mailing list and
 Launchpad. If you would like to ask a question please use those.

But there are some Plone people lurking there, and plone is a good
tag. But mailing lists will probably be faster than SO for any kind of
tool that isn't wildly popular.

//Lennart
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