Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 3 OK, 1 Failed

2009-08-17 Thread Tres Seaver
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 Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.6.2 : Linux
 From: CMF Tests
 Date: Sun Aug 16 21:17:25 EDT 2009
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2009-August/011888.html

This test appears to be due to changes which Alec made in fixing the
MailHost product on the Zope trunk.  I think these doctests themselves
are largely bogus (they are breaking on bits we don't care about), but
maybe there is an easy fix?


Tres.
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Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 3 OK, 1 Failed

2009-08-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On Aug 17, 2009, at 16:45 , Tres Seaver wrote:

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 Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.6.2 :  
 Linux
 From: CMF Tests
 Date: Sun Aug 16 21:17:25 EDT 2009
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2009-August/011888.html

 This test appears to be due to changes which Alec made in fixing the
 MailHost product on the Zope trunk.  I think these doctests themselves
 are largely bogus (they are breaking on bits we don't care about), but
 maybe there is an easy fix?

These failures have been brought up in a zope-dev thread about the  
MailHost changes, they are related to a switch from base64 to quoted- 
printable encoding for some headers. There has not been any final  
determination if this change is OK. Alec has promised to fix the tests  
once this has been decided.

jens



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Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 3 OK, 1 Failed

2009-08-17 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jens Vagelpohlj...@dataflake.org wrote:
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 On Aug 17, 2009, at 16:45 , Tres Seaver wrote:

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 Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.6.2 : Linux
 From: CMF Tests
 Date: Sun Aug 16 21:17:25 EDT 2009
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2009-August/011888.html

 This test appears to be due to changes which Alec made in fixing the
 MailHost product on the Zope trunk.  I think these doctests themselves
 are largely bogus (they are breaking on bits we don't care about), but
 maybe there is an easy fix?

 These failures have been brought up in a zope-dev thread about the MailHost
 changes, they are related to a switch from base64 to quoted-printable
 encoding for some headers. There has not been any final determination if
 this change is OK. Alec has promised to fix the tests once this has been
 decided.

Exactly.  The failures are essentially cosmetic, I can fix them either
by removing the Quoted Printable configuration from MailHost or by
changing the CMF tests to expect Quoted Printable instead of Base64.
Quoted Printable is easily readable/debuggable and doesn't get
penalized by spam filters, base64 is more compact.  It may make the
most sense to remove the Quoted Printable config from MailHost and
just punt this decision to some future release.

Alec
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Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 3 OK, 1 Failed

2009-08-17 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Alec Mitchellap...@columbia.edu wrote:
 It may make the
 most sense to remove the Quoted Printable config from MailHost and
 just punt this decision to some future release.

Currently your changes only apply to Zope trunk aka 2.13 which is in
early development. The change looks perfectly fine to me for that
release.

If you get the permission to backport these changes to 2.12 (or be
bold enough to just do it, since they seem to make sense) you could
back out this one change, so the 2.12 would keep the slightly more
backwards compatible notion.

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 3 OK, 1 Failed

2009-08-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On Aug 17, 2009, at 17:52 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:

 If you get the permission to backport these changes to 2.12 (or be
 bold enough to just do it, since they seem to make sense) you could
 back out this one change, so the 2.12 would keep the slightly more
 backwards compatible notion.

Since this is just a cosmetic change and it takes 5 seconds to change  
the test there's no reason at all to only apply part of the changes to  
2.12, provided they get applied to begin with (which I hope).

Backwards-compatibility is great, but let's not overdo it. If anyone  
relies on those headers being specifically base64 the application is  
broken by design.

jens



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Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 3 OK, 1 Failed

2009-08-17 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 2009-8-17 17:48, Alec Mitchell wrote:
 Exactly.  The failures are essentially cosmetic, I can fix them either
 by removing the Quoted Printable configuration from MailHost or by
 changing the CMF tests to expect Quoted Printable instead of Base64.
 Quoted Printable is easily readable/debuggable and doesn't get
 penalized by spam filters, base64 is more compact.  It may make the
 most sense to remove the Quoted Printable config from MailHost and
 just punt this decision to some future release.

I would rather see those quopri changse go in for two reasons: it makes 
testing emails easier us humans can read quoted printable text while
base64 looks like line noice, and in my experience spamfilters tend to 
consider base64 encoded emails more likely to spam.

Wichert.

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