Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Chris Withers
Martin Aspeli wrote: Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad. Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful component to use from Plone... It's also the biggest source of frustration I have with Plone. Chris --

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Chris Withers wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad. Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful component to use from Plone... It's also the biggest source of

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 23. April 2007 03:57:25 -0700 Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad. Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Andreas Jung-5 wrote: Okay. Let me rephrase. Most people don't find it painful, and a huge number of developers are being very productive with Archetypes. I know you hate it Chris, but you are in the minority. I have to second that. The latest versions of AT are pretty much stable and

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK

2007-04-23 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Sun Apr 22 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Mon Apr 23 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Apr 22 20:51:30 EDT 2007

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Aspeli wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad. AT has the classic Z-shaped curve in spades: when it does what you want,

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Tres Seaver wrote: AT has the classic Z-shaped curve in spades: when it does what you want, it is great, but trying to get it to do something else is painful and frustrating. I don't agree all that often with Chris W, but I find Archetypes an extremely frustrating framework to work