Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 releases for Windows?

2006-03-02 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Run 'inst/WinBuilders/buildout zope'. Ah, you need Inno 5.x too. See inst/WinBuilders/README.txt for the complete instructions. OK, are either you (or anyone else at Enfold) or Tim going to roll the 2.9.1 binary or would you like me to pick it up from now on? cheers,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.9 releases for Windows?

2006-03-02 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 2. März 2006 11:42:09 +0100 Wolfgang Strobl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case your file is to be taken as the Zope-2.9.1 windows release i'd need it at the Zope-2.9.1 release folder and not at your member folder. Sure. I've removed it from my member folder. I think one needs to be

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.9 releases for Windows?

2006-03-02 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 06:43:38PM +, Chris Withers wrote: | Sidnei da Silva wrote: | Run 'inst/WinBuilders/buildout zope'. | | Ah, you need Inno 5.x too. See inst/WinBuilders/README.txt for the | complete instructions. | | OK, are either you (or anyone else at Enfold) or Tim going to roll

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Rocky Burt
On Tue, 2006-28-02 at 13:21 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [snip] I would vote for spelling out Zed (which would also be a little easier to google but might create trademark problems). The namespace package could either be 'z' or 'zed'. Then again, I

[Zope-dev] Re: Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Geoff Davis
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:43:03 -0330, Rocky Burt wrote: Anyway, this still keeps things very confusing from a naming perspective (mostly for new adopters). So having said all of that, I am actually +1 on Jim's proposal #2. What I see from that (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is the

[Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Geoff Davis
+1 on Jim's suggestion #2. However, if I am understanding things correctly, it doesn't really sound like door #2 entails a huge deviation from from our current course of bringing Zope 2 and Zope 3 together gradually. I don't really care what the converged product is called, be it Zope 2.250 or

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Geoff Davis wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. I think it is stupid. We (Zope Corp + the Zope Community) have spent 8 years building the Zope brand, and you want to restart from scratch ? S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:29, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. I think it is stupid. Me too!! Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k -

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Jim Fulton
Geoff Davis wrote: +1 on Jim's suggestion #2. However, if I am understanding things correctly, it doesn't really sound like door #2 entails a huge deviation from from our current course of bringing Zope 2 and Zope 3 together gradually. I don't really care what the converged product is called,

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Geoff Davis
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:38:03 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. Zope 3 is a _huge_ overhaul and it needs to be obvious to the world that it is dramatically better than crufty old Zope 2. Zope 3 then becomes the Zed application

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Geoff Davis wrote: Yes, and the use of the new name Z or Zed is a way to emphasize that the Zed library is NOT a big, monolithic app server; rather, it's something new and cool. Zope 3 is new and cool. Or at least, let's spin it this way. Screencasts, podcasts, 14'59 wikis (quicker than

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Everitt
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great.. I think it is stupid. We (Zope Corp + the Zope Community) have spent 8 years building the Zope brand, and you want to restart from scratch ? Hehe, poor Geoff. :) In the

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Everitt
Geoff Davis wrote: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:38:03 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. Zope 3 is a _huge_ overhaul and it needs to be obvious to the world that it is dramatically better than crufty old Zope 2. Zope 3 then becomes the

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Jim Fulton
Paul Everitt wrote: ... People have it set in their brain that Zope is a monolithic web application server. Hard to dispel that meme. Yup. I'd rather adjust the meme to: Zope is a agile flexible extensible app server with rich services. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL

[Zope-dev] Re: Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Rob Miller
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:43:03 -0330, Rocky Burt wrote: On Tue, 2006-28-02 at 13:21 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [snip] I would vote for spelling out Zed (which would also be a little easier to google but might create trademark problems). The namespace

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Strange how (most of) the Plone people seem to be so quick in willing to sacrifice the Zope brand :( S. -- Stéfane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stefane Fermigier wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. I think it is stupid. We (Zope Corp + the Zope Community) have spent 8 years building the Zope brand, and you want to restart from scratch ? Good point. There's the question: Does this zed

[Zope-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Strange how (most of) the Plone people seem to be so quick in willing to sacrifice the Zope brand :( It's not about sacrificing the Zope-the-app-server brand. It's actually about growing it in the sense that it becomes much clearer WHAT THE HELL Zope actually is. Or can

[Zope-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Rob Miller
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Strange how (most of) the Plone people seem to be so quick in willing to sacrifice the Zope brand :( um, if you reread what i said, and what i think rocky is trying to say, i'm in favor of _keeping_ the zope brand for the app server, which is what zope has always

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Benji York
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Good point. There's the question: Does this zed thing need a different name at all? If we want other people to pick it up, then it seems like a good idea to distinguish it from Zope-the-app-server. Paul seems to suggest that in his response. How about zopelib?

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Benji York wrote: Good point. There's the question: Does this zed thing need a different name at all? If we want other people to pick it up, then it seems like a good idea to distinguish it from Zope-the-app-server. Paul seems to suggest that in his response. How about zopelib? If we want

[Zope-dev] Re: Re: Re: Two visions

2006-03-02 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:31:38 -, Stefane Fermigier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange how (most of) the Plone people seem to be so quick in willing to sacrifice the Zope brand :( I don't think that's true. I'm certainly not, and I've not heard anyone directly in favour of that either. What

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:18:27 -, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope is a agile flexible extensible app server with rich services. You forgot Enterprise. Martin -- (muted) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Next release un June (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule and deprecation decisions)

2006-03-02 Thread Jim Fulton
Jim Fulton wrote: On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 09:58 +0100, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 12:11 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: A while ago, we had some discussion on when to make releases and how long to support deprecated features. The discussion has died down so I'll summarize