Re: [Zope-dev] The future of Zope with XML( what does ZDOM do for us? )

2000-06-02 Thread Josh Zeidner


Hi Kevin,

  What FourThought/DC are currently doing with Zope will allow for fast 
transformations to memory-resident structured data( ZDOM or whatever ) to 
exportable XML documents( which are simply strings of characters ).  This 
introduces( to the Zope world ) cutting edge metaphors in web-application 
design.  All data to be served to a client is some form of XML: including 
HTML ( a better term: structured data ).  The internal structure, or 
representation( or "deep structure" if you are into Chomsky ),  is the 
data/knowledge as the web site managers see it- and most likely the most 
accurate and flexible when dealing with the particular information-domain( 
this is what theyre paid for :) ).  Each user has custom needs- and wants to 
see this information the way they( or the applications working on thier 
behalf ) are accustomed to.  So, architectually speaking, we need a way to 
easily and quickly construct XML documents from some meta-type( our internal 
structure ).  This is what ZDOM is accomplishing for us.

  Parsing is a expensive endeavor.  It is not practical to parse character 
streams every time we want to get at our data.  So the solution is to 
represent the data as something more computationally digestible.  Again : 
this is what ZDOM is accomplishing for us.

  Does this answer your question?

  have a good weekend,

  Josh Zeidner



-"zippa-dee-doo-da" , uncle remus

Hello,

 Thanks for getting this document going. It's good to see where XML is
going in Zope.

 I do have a question, though. For me, the main value in XML has been 
in
its usefulness as a flexible interchange format. Right now, I can store 
data
as objects (either straight Python or ZClasses) in Zope and transform those
into XML if I need to share it with the outside world (eg RSS). Similarly,
though I haven't done this, I believe I can take XML from the outside 
world,
parse it and store it in objects in the database. Are there advantages to
storing the data in Zope as XML vs. storing my data as objects?

Thanks,
Kevin

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Re: [Zope-dev] The future of Zope with XML( what does ZDOM do for us? )

2000-06-02 Thread Kevin Dangoor

Hi, Josh

Thanks for the insight! I also just noticed that there is a whole lot of
good information already up there in the Wiki. This does look like great
stuff. I see how it complements Zope's current data storage capabilities. It
provides good ways to move XML data in and out of the ZODB via XSLT and to
store and manipulate XML data efficiently using XML Documents. These are
excellent capabilities indeed.

Have a great weekend!

Kevin

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Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] The future of Zope with XML( what does ZDOM do for
us? )



 Hi Kevin,

   What FourThought/DC are currently doing with Zope will allow for fast
 transformations to memory-resident structured data( ZDOM or whatever ) to
 exportable XML documents( which are simply strings of characters ).  This
 introduces( to the Zope world ) cutting edge metaphors in web-application
 design.  All data to be served to a client is some form of XML: including
 HTML ( a better term: structured data ).  The internal structure, or
 representation( or "deep structure" if you are into Chomsky ),  is the
 data/knowledge as the web site managers see it- and most likely the most
 accurate and flexible when dealing with the particular
ormation-domain( 
 this is what theyre paid for :) ).  Each user has custom needs- and wants to 
 see this information the way they( or the applications working on thier 
 behalf ) are accustomed to.  So, architectually speaking, we need a way to 
 easily and quickly construct XML documents from some meta-type( our internal 
 structure ).  This is what ZDOM is accomplishing for us.
 
   Parsing is a expensive endeavor.  It is not practical to parse character 
 streams every time we want to get at our data.  So the solution is to 
 represent the data as something more computationally digestible.  Again : 
 this is 
what ZDOM is accomplishing for us.

   Does this answer your question?

   have a good weekend,

   Josh Zeidner



 -"zippa-dee-doo-da" , uncle remus

 Hello,
 
  Thanks for getting this document going. It's good to see where XML
is
 going in Zope.
 
  I do have a question, though. For me, the main value in XML has been
 in
 its usefulness as a flexible interchange format. Right now, I can store
 data
 as objects (either straight Python or ZClasses) in Zope and transform
those
 into XML if I need to share it with the outside world (eg RSS).
Similarly,
 though I haven't done this, I believe I can take XML from the outside
 world,
 parse it and store it in objects in the database. Are there advantages to
 storing the data in Zope as XML vs. storing my data as objects?
 
 Thanks,
 Kevin
 
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 From: Glenn Gasmen
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:05 PM
 Subject: [Zope-dev] The future of Zope with XML
 
 
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