Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
I guess its because Zope installs into the same directory as the service name. So I always pick a name starting with Zope, so my installation is say ZopeTest and my service is Zope (ZopeTest) :) - Original Message - From: "Adrian Hungate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Andy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed > I have to disagree about the Zope (%s), I have been known to run 2 or 3 Zope > services, for different instances, and I always know that I can find them > all huddled together at the bottom of the Service Manager - Very useful. > > Adrian... > > -- > Adrian Hungate > Try Zope - > http://www.zope.org > - You might like it. > If you do, try my Zope products - > http://www.zope.org/Members/haqa > - You might like them too! > > > -Original Message- > From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 25 September 2001 05:23 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed > > > > We'd like to propose that the service distributed with Zope move over to > > using our code. > > Great, Im really looking forward to an improved Windows installation. But > lets get it out there play with it before anything major happens like > shipping Zope with it :) > > > As a separate issue - we're curious about the naming of the Zope > installation > > - why is it called WebSite (and the Zope service "Zope (WebSite)")? The > name > > clashes with another product that's fairly well-known in the windows > > community originally from O'Reilly: > http://www.oreilly.com/software/index.html > > ... and since Zope is a fairly distinctive name ... > > It is annoying but Zope wins there because OReilly isnt making WebSite > anymore. Its just a name, I find the Zope (%s) bit more annoying than > anything :) > > > ps. happy to put this up as a project if required. > > Thats probably a good idea. What about other issues such as install and > removing service easily later, STDERR logging not going to /dev/null, lack > of start menu icons and other windows issues... > > Cheers > -- > Andy McKay > > > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > > ___ > Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:41, Adrian Hungate wrote: > I edit the registry... One of my many favourite pass-times, right up there > with running out in traffic. > > Seriously though, once an instance is configured, why would you want to > change it? (Assuming you get it right that is) Mostly the interface is for stopping/starting the server, accessing the log, accessing the management screen, adding a manager user (yes, those last two are buttons which just open a URL with the default browser), changing the emergency user password and generally reporting information about the instance. The "(Assuming you get it right that is)" is also spot on - people will do strange things, and we need a simple interface that we can walk them through on the phone, and also an interface that they're unlikely to cause damage with (as opposed to editing z2.py or the *gak* registry!) This interface is _specifically_ targetted at a "new breed" of zope user. Someone who was brought up on a diet of IIS or some other plug-n-play web server. Someone who just wants it to work, no registry editing, no config file editing. That's who this stuff is targetted at. I'd say that adding a multi-instance ability would be possible - we'd just have to be able to handle multiple config files. We're just not sure how it should be handled in the UI :) Richard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
I edit the registry... One of my many favourite pass-times, right up there with running out in traffic. Seriously though, once an instance is configured, why would you want to change it? (Assuming you get it right that is) Adrian... -- Adrian Hungate Try Zope - http://www.zope.org - You might like it. If you do, try my Zope products - http://www.zope.org/Members/haqa - You might like them too! -Original Message- From: Richard Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 September 2001 07:33 To: Adrian Hungate; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:26, Adrian Hungate wrote: > I have to disagree about the Zope (%s), I have been known to run 2 or 3 > Zope services, for different instances, and I always know that I can find > them all huddled together at the bottom of the Service Manager - Very > useful. So does that mean they have different names in the service manager? How do you configure the instances? Richard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:26, Adrian Hungate wrote: > I have to disagree about the Zope (%s), I have been known to run 2 or 3 > Zope services, for different instances, and I always know that I can find > them all huddled together at the bottom of the Service Manager - Very > useful. So does that mean they have different names in the service manager? How do you configure the instances? Richard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
I have to disagree about the Zope (%s), I have been known to run 2 or 3 Zope services, for different instances, and I always know that I can find them all huddled together at the bottom of the Service Manager - Very useful. Adrian... -- Adrian Hungate Try Zope - http://www.zope.org - You might like it. If you do, try my Zope products - http://www.zope.org/Members/haqa - You might like them too! -Original Message- From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 September 2001 05:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed > We'd like to propose that the service distributed with Zope move over to > using our code. Great, Im really looking forward to an improved Windows installation. But lets get it out there play with it before anything major happens like shipping Zope with it :) > As a separate issue - we're curious about the naming of the Zope installation > - why is it called WebSite (and the Zope service "Zope (WebSite)")? The name > clashes with another product that's fairly well-known in the windows > community originally from O'Reilly: http://www.oreilly.com/software/index.html > ... and since Zope is a fairly distinctive name ... It is annoying but Zope wins there because OReilly isnt making WebSite anymore. Its just a name, I find the Zope (%s) bit more annoying than anything :) > ps. happy to put this up as a project if required. Thats probably a good idea. What about other issues such as install and removing service easily later, STDERR logging not going to /dev/null, lack of start menu icons and other windows issues... Cheers -- Andy McKay ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
> These are all things we've addressed, but it'd be good to note them > somewhere. We've tried to make the process of using Zope (and hence our > product) as painless to the average Windows user (and Mac user) as possible. Oooh, Im a happy camper. -- Andy ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 14:23, Andy wrote: > > We'd like to propose that the service distributed with Zope move over to > > using our code. > > Great, Im really looking forward to an improved Windows installation. But > lets get it out there play with it before anything major happens like > shipping Zope with it :) Fer sure :) > It is annoying but Zope wins there because OReilly isnt making WebSite > anymore. Yeah, they seem to have sold it to someone else... > Its just a name, I find the Zope (%s) bit more annoying than > anything :) Agreed. > > ps. happy to put this up as a project if required. > > Thats probably a good idea. What about other issues such as install and > removing service easily later, STDERR logging not going to /dev/null, lack > of start menu icons and other windows issues... These are all things we've addressed, but it'd be good to note them somewhere. We've tried to make the process of using Zope (and hence our product) as painless to the average Windows user (and Mac user) as possible. Richard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
> We'd like to propose that the service distributed with Zope move over to > using our code. Great, Im really looking forward to an improved Windows installation. But lets get it out there play with it before anything major happens like shipping Zope with it :) > As a separate issue - we're curious about the naming of the Zope installation > - why is it called WebSite (and the Zope service "Zope (WebSite)")? The name > clashes with another product that's fairly well-known in the windows > community originally from O'Reilly: http://www.oreilly.com/software/index.html > ... and since Zope is a fairly distinctive name ... It is annoying but Zope wins there because OReilly isnt making WebSite anymore. Its just a name, I find the Zope (%s) bit more annoying than anything :) > ps. happy to put this up as a project if required. Thats probably a good idea. What about other issues such as install and removing service easily later, STDERR logging not going to /dev/null, lack of start menu icons and other windows issues... Cheers -- Andy McKay ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope on Windows: enhancements proposed
We've got a wonderful zope control panel (which installs into the standard
windows Control Panel) and zope service which we'll be making available in
binary and source form this week. Like the Mac OS X controller, this is
simply a trivial re-branding extension of our work in supporting the
usability of our Bizar Shop product.
The windows controller works on win95/win98/NT/win2k. It controls a "real"
windows service on platforms were services are run (NT/win2k), and otherwise
controls a "service daemon" which stays in the system tray. We'll call this
service "Zope", and its job is to lauch "python [script] [args]" with some
Zope-specific environment fiddling (INSTANCE_HOME env, cd ${SOFTWARE_HOME},
STUPID_LOG_FILE env).
The current method of starting Zope as a windows service using
PythonService.exe is kludgy, mostly because of the unnecessary layer of
python. The Zope binary distribution's use of PythonService.exe does the same
thing that our Zope service does (in the end), which is to lauch "python
z2.py [args]".
We'd like to propose that the service distributed with Zope move over to
using our code.
Our control panel will be able to control "Zope (WebSite)", but we probably
won't offer the ability to configure it (editing the z2[s].py file in-place
is possible - we do that now - but it's rather hackish).
So, best scenario is that Zope ships with the controller and our service.
Worst scenario is that the controller is downloaded separately and can only
stop/start PythonService. In the second case, we'd still ship our service and
install it - meaning that there'd be two Zope services in the service
manager, but at least the controller, which appears in the control panel,
would still be able to fully control Zope.
As a separate issue - we're curious about the naming of the Zope installation
- why is it called WebSite (and the Zope service "Zope (WebSite)")? The name
clashes with another product that's fairly well-known in the windows
community originally from O'Reilly: http://www.oreilly.com/software/index.html
... and since Zope is a fairly distinctive name ...
Richard
ps. happy to put this up as a project if required.
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